@ Everyone--no offense was meant or implied by my previous posts, and I hope no one was offended. it was not my intent.
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Ditto. :D
Thank you.
Scene: claimed 2 mafia, despite OP stating 3 rubbed me wrong. Unfortunately, this is almost NAI.
Laser was playing very differently until today. I didn't know if it was "evolution of style to be more like ours", "change of teams = change or roles" "change of playstyle to always keep them guessing" or what.
I still don't know, and I don't like it, but.... Cadaver raises excellent points, too. in his 378.
While I intensely dislike both sides, I think that, as bad as it was, Laser's side wasn't quite as bad as scene's?
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Cadaver747: 1. Lonzie mentioned something about *chronic*, no?
2. Obviously it's mafia, you should have asked about game theme.
Don't get the point of your answers, the answers were practically there. Just for a small talk?
3. And there was ABSOLUTELY no other way to fight boredom for you at that time? Because you brought much confusion, innocents may die because of it (maybe an exaggeration but still). Isn't playing Mafia like a normal Town isn't good enough for you?
4. Yeah, was it worth it? Like you could have never expect this to happen...
If you're a Town in this game and you'll play the next GOG Mafia game also as a Town, will you consider doing the same very trick? 5. I hope so too, because my life depends on it due to my open minded naivety. And your post dwindling that hope a bit (anti smile emoji)
6. What was that about RW saw it - correctly? Please clarify, I have no idea.
7. There is a big difference. And if you read Mafia chat that post and bomb allusions might saved his life. I'm proud that I added to ZFR's protection being paranoid about his possible PGO / Bomb role. But that was a blind luck. You should bet on Duke not on blind luck, on the other hand betting on Duke is even worse. (that was a lame joke about DNF).
8. Not really, if you're a Mafia you should behave EXACTLY the same way like before and assist Town people with their search as much as possible. I don't know why but I'm not happy with your post even more.
Exactly.
9. What? (maybe it's a language barrier, please clarify)
10. So that's how it goes. ZFR was pissed, rightfully so I should add before, but today he is voting Scene and you as well. For some reason Laser's action which added more Scum points to Scene (am I the only one who think so about points?) can be ignored like a slight misunderstanding.
OK, if we lynch Scene and Scene flip Town - what then? A proof, how? 1. To be honest, I don't recall if it was chronic or not. If it is chronic, I hope they don't come as often or aren't as intense.
2. wolf=mafia is what I assumed, but i have seen people using the word quite often on Mafia Universe and wanted to know
precisely what it meant, in case I was wrong.
3. There were other ways, but I wanted to contribute something at the time to get us off what i saw as "Two town players going in circles getting very little done." It was intended to distract from the other conversation (I think I mentioned this?) but it was neevr intended to get me lunched, and tbh, I don't see what folk are finding so scummy about it. yes, in hindsight, it wasn't the best move, but I honestly didn't anticipate this reaction. I expected the normal D1 "he's joking" reaction that other posts have had.
I actually find it quite interesting that it got the reactions that it did, both in
who reacted and
how they reacted. I'm interested in who gave me town points and who gave me scum points. If everyone who is town thought me scum, are those few who see me as town actually scum? If I am lunched, you'll have to decide.
4. Again, I was surprised that it made me the leading train. I do not know the future, but I do not believe that I would do anything of that sort that late in the game.
Maybe on my very first post as a way of saying "hello", but not after we had mostly left RVS. I do not doubt that I will do
something dumb, as this seems to be something I am good at doing, but that? no, I hope not. I think I have learned my lesson.
5. I am town. I am sorry that your hope is dwindling.
6. In the harry Potter game, I said something about "does your name match your power" , which RWarehall interpreted to mean "Micro has a power or else he would never think to ask if names=power". He then spent the rest of his in-game life defending me as hard as he could, even though everyone else saw it as role-fishing. The very next post I clarified it by saying something about "I didn't want an answer, just for people to think about the correlation, if any."
I was accused of helping scum by telling them town info, which in another player's mind made me definitely town "because if micro was scum, he never would have thought to ask that question."
7. I see, I think. Yes, I was aware at the time that there was a bit of "if he joking or trying to make us self-destruct," in the mafia minds, but I didn't think of it when I was posting in this thread. Instead, I remembered it as "extremely daring joke post by ZFR = no consequences, so this one should be fine."
8. yes, I do get what you are saying, but at the same time there is a different mindset. mafia have to hunt scum but also have to weigh every word carefully so they don't give themselves away and attract attention, and some of this tends to creep across in writing. A pattern of blatant silliness and foolishness in town that leads to constant charges of "you're scum" is awful for a scum player to have to deal with--I have become concerned that I have horribly shot myself in the foot in case I am ever mafia. I don't know how scum!me could live up to this without being a handicap for my team.
(This whole "scum try to direct the spotlight onto others but avoid the spotlight themselves" is one reason I doubt Laser is scum--it would take an incredible about of guts to do it. Would Yogsloth or Flubbucket do it as scum? yes. Would zazak? I don't know.)
9. it is British slang. "off my trolley" equates to the subject of the term being crazy, insane, or at best silly and eccentric. In this case I'm saying that "as town, I'd be stupid to vote for myself. I have more brains than to do that, so I won't."
Only scum who are desperately trying to hide facts or protect others, or those who can win by being lunched, have a reason to vote for themselves.
10. I do not like Laser's actions, but I do not know him well enough to know if this is scum!laser or not. I would like to think that either scum had an incredible amount of guts to try this, or they were desperate. I don't see desperation on D1. As awful as it looks to me--I don't know if Scum!Laser would do this or not.
His persona is very very different than his last game as a player, but I don't know if it is him adjusting as a player or just toning down his expectations of us and his play to match.
I would be willing to vote him, even if scene was town. He lied deliberately. It was a lie which could be read as trying to draw out a counterclaim, or it could be trying to bodyguard by eating a NK.
I like Carradice's point about "chances are very high one of Laser/Scene is scum." The interaction seemed too cool for two town players. Could two scum have set it up beforehand? no. Could one scum roll with the flow and what his partner is doing? YES! Also, see my part earlier about getting basic details wrong (how many scum are playing), and some of your other questions you have asked of scene. My first game of mafia including a time when Scene was tripped on details, and pressure was applied that led to him claiming a non-existent role.
i want to think this might be town!scene and town!zazak, but noone else sees Lift as scummy enough to vote for him.
I just think scene overall is slightly worse than laser. part of this thinking is skewed by my trying to ignore my predisposition
Realistically, I have to vote for Laser or Scene for any sort of chance to live, and I want Laser--if town--to explain his gambit too us, by toMorrow at the latest. Scene has seemed off and I'm glad others have noticed it. I do hope he isn't different because he finally has a town PR. the weird "i accept you because you called me town" isn't good enough in my book, but might have been a counter gambit to do something. "I town-read you because you town-read me": is poor logic at best and anti-town at worst because the player turns a blind eye to an enemy for the rest of the game, usually...
If scene is town, I'd vote Laser, unless the explanation was so fantastic that it floored me.
I'm dozing off here, so I'll say goodnight through post 380.
If I missed anything in answering questions, please let me know.
ZFR: I think scene is a good lynch, if only to clear the situation. Otherwise we might be forced to deal with this at a more critical time when we can't afford a mislynch. He is, how many votes he have now, 2. If I'll add mine, it would be 3. Yes, good lynch indeed. 
