Lifthrasil: Add to that GRs own strangeness: he first claimed not to have a PR at all. Then he didn't know how his own PR works until you explained it to him.
And then you top all of that off with an absolute no-go for town players: a self vote.
Now try to imagine how all of that looks from the view of an uninformed town player. We can only draw conclusions from what we read here in the thread and if you go back over your and GRs posts and interactions and imagine them being written by someone else, you would probably find them scummy as well.
1st bit: Chalk that up to me skim reading everything(posts/PMs) more than I should, and assuming without checking first(with game OP/Joe).
2nd bit: He is likely seeing it as inevitable and figures if town want to lynch a town and allow the other to possibly be NKd then why delay it if it's likely going to happen(in his eyes)?
Also as with me he probably sees his and my attempts to prove we are town being cast aside so much to be a bit discouraging.
3rd bit: One can find most posts scummy if one looks at them the right way....that means nothing, as one can read into most posts what they want to.
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PookaMustard: Also, I think having the factional night kill being even and odd would be severely broken in Town's favor, since they have to sit around twiddling thumbs every other night. That would be a horrendously stressful game.
So at this point, we have barely any leads to the real scum (if we discount the blotunga and GR pair). Assuming we have only one scum left, should we mass claim? That would give us material on nmiliar, RFG, LOLchan and myself.
1st bit: Seems reasonable.
2nd bit: If we have a doctor or other PR we don't want to out them to the remaining scum. Imo this wouldn't be such a good idea(at least not everyone full claiming).
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PookaMustard: Remember it's not in my favor to mass-claim as the only remaining scum (the risk of being the lynch for merely suggesting the mass claims idea outweigh the benefits of knowing the power roles, a task already made easier by blotunga and GR's mason claims), it's actually in my scum favor that no mass claims happen at all.
Maybe, but it would depend on if you(if scum) made up a a PR or not & if that PR was already used by a town. You could easily(if scum) claim vanilla town and be relatively safe.
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SirPrimalform: I have thought of a possible advantage to lynching one of our "masons" today though.
1. It resolves the "mafia or mason" problem. Either we hit scum or we confirm the other mason.
2a. The other mason is confirmed, the scum has a choice - either kill the confirmed mason or take a shot at a PR. This means we arrive at tomorrow either with a confirmed townie or all of our PRs alive, possibly both.
2b. We get scum and have a pretty good idea who to lynch tomorrow.
Blotunga, (if you're town) I know you're upset about being "outed", but honestly the only value that non-chatting masons have is either being confirmed town or soaking up a kill to save a more useful PR.
I think there's a pretty good case for policy lynching sooner rather than later. It would answer a lot of questions.
1st bit(the numbered parts above) - And if one of us is lynched the other woudl likely be NKd as scum likely don't know the other PRs and it'd be a guaranteed removal of a PR/town(two with the mislynch by fellow town of one town PR)
2nd bit: We would lose two town by doing so...the mislynched party and one other....so town would be down by two. Is that a good trade for perhaps being able to analyze the wagon a bit after the fact?
3rd bit: No there isn't(imo)....either you are town and playing badly/desperate to find scum or are scum trying to rid yourself of two town in one stroke.
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SirPrimalform: In terms of play, yours and GR's sketchy behaviour is slightly detrimental and distracting.
Not a good reason to put two town to the chopping block. o.0
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blotunga: Btw what if there are no more town PRs? In a 14:3 setup maybe there weren't. I have no idea tbh because I have a lot less experience, but I'm not letting myself or GR lynched just to prove that we are Masons. That was the whole point of my claim. Otherwise I could've let him hang and come out tomorrow that lookie here, I'm the other one.
SirPrimalform: Read that back to yourself. You're suggesting that the ONLY power roles the town has are two non-chatting masons? That's fucking nuts.
He is just asking, but it is a bit nuts to suggest...that much is true.
