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Posted October 14, 2019
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SirPrimalform: The second makes some sense and I could get on board with that, but the first doesn't make much sense to me.

Scum like to keep things vague. The more specific they have to be, the more likely they are to be caught in a lie. This is why I find blotunga's reluctance a bit suspicious.
It's already Day 3 and you're not dead!

You managed to clear GR on N1 but you have no relevant info from N2? Ok.
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nmillar: This is starting to look more and more scummy to me. What difference does it make if you claim now, or claim before the end of the day? What exactly are you hoping to achieve? A mis-lynch of GameRager, which subsequently "verifies" your claim?

With two scum eliminated in the first two days, it makes sense that the remaining scum could take some risks, and this is starting to look like exactly that.
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nmillar: This is starting to look more and more scummy to me. What difference does it make if you claim now, or claim before the end of the day? What exactly are you hoping to achieve? A mis-lynch of GameRager, which subsequently "verifies" your claim?

With two scum eliminated in the first two days, it makes sense that the remaining scum could take some risks, and this is starting to look like exactly that.
For crying out loud stop fishing. When someone goes L-1 I will prove everything I have said so far. Until then please bare with me.
Posted October 14, 2019
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SirPrimalform: The second makes some sense and I could get on board with that, but the first doesn't make much sense to me.

Scum like to keep things vague. The more specific they have to be, the more likely they are to be caught in a lie. This is why I find blotunga's reluctance a bit suspicious.
It's already Day 3 and you're not dead!

You managed to clear GR on N1 but you have no relevant info from N2? Ok.
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blotunga:
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nmillar: This is starting to look more and more scummy to me. What difference does it make if you claim now, or claim before the end of the day? What exactly are you hoping to achieve? A mis-lynch of GameRager, which subsequently "verifies" your claim?

With two scum eliminated in the first two days, it makes sense that the remaining scum could take some risks, and this is starting to look like exactly that.
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blotunga:
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nmillar: This is starting to look more and more scummy to me. What difference does it make if you claim now, or claim before the end of the day? What exactly are you hoping to achieve? A mis-lynch of GameRager, which subsequently "verifies" your claim?

With two scum eliminated in the first two days, it makes sense that the remaining scum could take some risks, and this is starting to look like exactly that.
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blotunga: For crying out loud stop fishing. When someone goes L-1 I will prove everything I have said so far. Until then please bare with me.
You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means.


You have already claimed a role in very vague terms, us wanting to lock that down with specifics is not fishing. As you have already painted the target on your back, I really cannot see the disadvantage in full claiming (other than, y'know, thinking up a good falseclaim is really hard).
Posted October 14, 2019
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SirPrimalform: You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means.


You have already claimed a role in very vague terms, us wanting to lock that down with specifics is not fishing. As you have already painted the target on your back, I really cannot see the disadvantage in full claiming (other than, y'know, thinking up a good falseclaim is really hard).
Until I have stated my exact role it's still fishing. Yes I am aware I have a large target on my back, and trust me it has a good reason.
Posted October 14, 2019
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SirPrimalform: You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means.

You have already claimed a role in very vague terms, us wanting to lock that down with specifics is not fishing. As you have already painted the target on your back, I really cannot see the disadvantage in full claiming (other than, y'know, thinking up a good falseclaim is really hard).
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blotunga: Until I have stated my exact role it's still fishing. Yes I am aware I have a large target on my back, and trust me it has a good reason.
Nope. Role fishing is an attempt to get someone to out themselves as having a role, not an attempt to get more information from someone who has outed themselves as having a role. Your squirming doesn't exactly fill me with confidence... Hmm, I'm already voting for you.

unvote blotunga

XL vote blotunga
Posted October 14, 2019
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SirPrimalform: Nope. Role fishing is an attempt to get someone to out themselves as having a role, not an attempt to get more information from someone who has outed themselves as having a role. Your squirming doesn't exactly fill me with confidence... Hmm, I'm already voting for you.

unvote blotunga

XL vote blotunga
Well, as promised I will reveal everything at L-1. Even if it's my L-1. I will most likely get NKed anyway one way or the other.
Posted October 14, 2019
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SirPrimalform: Nope. Role fishing is an attempt to get someone to out themselves as having a role, not an attempt to get more information from someone who has outed themselves as having a role. Your squirming doesn't exactly fill me with confidence... Hmm, I'm already voting for you.

unvote blotunga

XL vote blotunga
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blotunga: Well, as promised I will reveal everything at L-1. Even if it's my L-1. I will most likely get NKed anyway one way or the other.
Or sooner if one more person asks you to claim, right?
Posted October 14, 2019
@blotunga: I really don't see what Town has to lose by clarity at this point. All we can do is gain from it. We need all the information we can get, if the price of that information isn't a PR. You already paid the price. So I think it's reasonable to also reveal the information in full, that you paid the price for.

And yes, it is relevant whether you are Cop or, say, Tracker or Watcher or somehow limited Cop. As previously stated, a Tracker could not have cleared GR in N1. With other roles similar problems may exist. You may have overlooked something, so even if you are town, your clearance of GR may not be as 100% as you think it is. But we can only decide that, if you reveal how you cleared him.

Waiting for L-1 now that the main suspect were had is cleared may also take too long. That really looks as if you want to waste time until we're close to the deadline, then drop some claim bomb and don't leave Town the time to properly deal with it.
Would your soft claim and clearing of GR be a smart move if you were scum? No. But in this game scum have proven that they also can make quite dumb moves and your reluctance right now is scummy.

So no, I'm not going to 'bare' with you. Neither am I going to bear with you, but I expect you to bare all the facts!
Posted October 14, 2019
I think I made it pretty clear that I've given all the clarity I can share at this point. A full reveal would explain everything, but would also loose a lot of momentum for town.
Posted October 14, 2019
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Lifthrasil: So no, I'm not going to 'bare' with you. Neither am I going to bear with you, but I expect you to bare all the facts!
Indeed.

Blotunga, expose yourself to us at once! Bare all!
Posted October 14, 2019
But since the majority insists on it, GameRanger and I are town masons. There, nothing spectacular, but it would've been an advantage for scum to focus only on me for the night.
Posted October 14, 2019
Role fishing is trying to figure out if a player is a power role. If scum knows X is a power role, they don't care if that power role is a Cop or a...Fruit Vendor I think. To them, a person they know is a power role but not which power role is the next best thing to lynch. That's what dedoporno and I were doing as the scumteam in "Previously on Mafia...", figuring out who hinted at the possibility of being a PR, and shooting his face overnights. It's how we nailed trent the Doctor on the third night instead of say Bookwyrm or flub.

I know if I were part of the scumteam, I wouldn't have needed to ask you who you are, blotunga. I'd have told my tea- OK, my team would be dead by now. I'd have just asked Joe to get rid of you, and reap the benefits.

If you don't want to reveal who you are, then what is your plan for surviving the Night? You will be targeted by the Mafia. Are you a protective role who can self-target tonight? Do you know of a protective role who can protect you, and if so, did you successfully tell him to protect you without revealing his identity? The information you have is a string that will lead us to the whereabouts of the guy we're looking for, and your reluctance to share it doesn't help.
Posted October 14, 2019
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PookaMustard:
Khm...

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blotunga: But since the majority insists on it, GameRanger and I are town masons. There, nothing spectacular, but it would've been an advantage for scum to focus only on me for the night.
Posted October 14, 2019
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PookaMustard:
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blotunga: Khm...

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blotunga: But since the majority insists on it, GameRanger and I are town masons. There, nothing spectacular, but it would've been an advantage for scum to focus only on me for the night.
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blotunga:
Okay, so have you explicitly been told that you're both town? This being a Joe game, I wouldn't be so sure ...

http://mafiawiki.notesmash.org/wiki/Mason
Posted October 14, 2019
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blotunga: Khm...
Yeah, you NINJA'd my face!

Town masons.

(unvote) GameRager, you confirm what blotunga said?
Posted October 14, 2019
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blotunga: But since the majority insists on it, GameRanger and I are town masons. There, nothing spectacular, but it would've been an advantage for scum to focus only on me for the night.
Not really... I mean they could only kill one of you per night and with GR confirmed town he would also be a target.

Boy, I sure hope Joe hasn't given us a secret murderous lover-mason!

unvote blotunga

Now, more details. Give us the exact nature of your role.
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