blotunga: I'm not convinced trent is scum though, since agent had no reason to give up his scumbuddies. Nor does that put trent in an extaordinary light, in case it's all a big WIFOM.

agentcarr16: I rolled scum to start the game, but got switched when dedoporno and Microfish_1 left the game. Dedo was Scum with me, as was trentonlf. I don't know why he decided to reroll when he could have just done what ZFR suggested (turn a town into a scum).

ZFR: Here is my theory:
Joe didn't reroll all scum. All he did was reroll a single Town to replace micro/dedo (possibly with a minor other role balancing change). So agent thinks of a clever gambit: he'll out his team and claim it's changed because no one would expect scum to do it, right? Only he has no way of communicating it to his buddies, and when trent comes along he thinks "What on earth is that idiot doing??? He's outing us all just like that?" and instead of playing along he decides to bus agent.
So that's where they are now. They can't retract their statements now, so the best they can hope for is that when one of them dies, the other gets good Town points.

PookaMustard: I wonder why Agent pulled off that scheme, given that none of us had even realized he fullclaimed this early, which seems to be the catalyst for launching this scheme, as he figured he went down. Because of how it went, I'm actually less inclined to lynch Trent, as I don't think Agent would pull off such WIFOM with his scumbuddy this early.

ZFR thankfully isn't a power role, but that brings me to my next question. Did ZFR say anything that drew the attention of the scum?

SirPrimalform: Right. I've been thinking about this through the Night (or action phase if you prefer) and I am in favour of lynching Trent next unless someone has a specific reason not to (more than just "I believe him!").

Firstly, the fact that agentcarr turned out to be exactly who he initially claimed to be suggests that the mafia were not re-rolled except where necessary. Thus I'll do away with the scum/town, town/town, scum/scum etc. terminology.

If we have town!trent, agentcarr had to know that town!trent would contradict him and cause a "lynch one, then the other if found to be lying" situation. The best possible outcome agentcarr could have hoped for with town!trent is that we lynched trent first and agentcarr second. It doesn't strike me as a particularly good incentive, I'd like to give agentcarr a bit more credit than this.

What I think is far more likely is that we have scum!trent and agentcarr was hoping for him to go "Ah yes, I used to be mafia but I'm on the straight and narrow now! *wink wink*". Frankly this is risky anyway, but it's a lot less stupid than putting yourself into a "lynch one then other" situation at the beginning of the game*

Thus, vote trent

SirPrimalform: Wow, I was in a rush and really cocked up post 325. EBWOP:

SirPrimalform:

SirPrimalform: Yes, in case that wasn't obvious enough, I did indeed mean "Post 235" in Post 329.

;P

GameRager: What about the other reply I made to you? No comment? Ok then. :|

SirPrimalform: I found your argument completely unconvincing. Well I guess if you really want a reply I wonder what you mean by trent putting himself in the spotlight? In my eyes it was agent who shone the spotlight on trent.

GameRager: By Trent(iirc) starting the ball rolling on the agent lynch train he basically set himself up to be more visible....would another scum do that and possibly risk 2 scum being lynched in two game days? That is what I meant.

SirPrimalform: You mean after agentcarr had already "outed" him?

GameRager: Do you mean the post claiming that he(agent) and trent/others were scum and rerolled? Or something else?

SirPrimalform: This will probably be easier if you point me to the post you mean.

Please can you show me "Trent(iirc) starting the ball rolling on the agent lynch train" so I know we're talking about the same post?

GameRager: Looking back, I believe it is post 138 by Trent....of course now I also see you voted first for Agent, and then Trent took the ball and ran with it(convincing others in the process).....still, I do not think a scum would "out" themselves in such a manner, but I am willing to admit I could be wrong on this.

For now I am not voting for him for that reason and also a bit because of his "willingness" to possibly jump ship due to the setup talk from much earlier. If I see something convincing enough I might vote later on, however, if need be.

SirPrimalform: Good, we're talking about the same post at least. I don't see trent putting himself in the spotlight though, his post is a direct response to being put in the spotlight by agentcarr.

You don't think that agentcarr would have done this if trent was scum, but I ask why he would do this if trent was town? As I said before, there were only two outcomes to agentcarr pointing the finger at town!trent and they both result in agent getting lynched.

So what I see in the post you mention, is scum!trent going "What the hell is he doing!?" before putting a distance/bus vote on agentcarr.

GameRager: Well then he kept himself in the spotlight by voting so quickly.

Imo if he was scum he would've waited a bit before adding his vote, but I somewhat see your points as well.

SirPrimalform: I'd like to hear your thoughts on agentcarr's motivation for accusing town!trent. What do you think he might have been hoping to achieve?