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Posted September 08, 2019
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nmillar: Are we all assuming that there's only 1 scum left? If that's the case then the setup is:

7 town
2 scum
1 neutral

I'm no expert on how balanced that would be as a setup, especially as I haven't played for a few years, so does that seem reasonable?

Other floated possibilities are:

6 town
3 scum
1 neutral

Or even:

6 town
2 scum
2 neutral (including one serial killer)

The earlier mod post stated, "at least one more".
The only scenario that would be fair is 7 Town, 2 Scum, and 1 neutral. Balance wise Scum/Neutral is typically 25% of the total players, and that is adjusted by power roles in play.

From all the claims Town has 3 power roles
Jailer
One shot doctor
One shot Vigilante

Scum has
Roleblocker

10 players with 30% being scum/neutral with the roles revealed so far it would be a balanced setup, adding a Serial Killer to the mix or another mafia would make it extremely hard for a Town win and unfair so I don’t see any scenario in play other than 7/2/1.
Posted September 08, 2019
Okay, so 1 of trent, blotunga or GameRager is the remaining scum then. Of those, I'd say blotunga is the most likely to be town based on his interactions with SPF, so lynch one now, lose 1 town during the night and lynch the other tomorrow for a town victory.
Posted September 08, 2019
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Vote count:

blotunga 1 - GameRager (371)
trentonlf 1 - nmillar (340)

blotunga and trent tie at L-2
not voting: blotunga, trent, RWare
Deadline: Tuesday evening or Wednesday morning (MEST)
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Posted September 08, 2019
Another GameRager Proxy Post:
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To all: I asked a few people here(blotunga/trent/etc various things in my last proxy post.....if you guys could answer them it'd be appreciated.

(Also the one bit about post 261 should be post 361 in that last proxy post)

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blotunga: Just a short input. Today is family time so I won't be long online. I think that if I believe nmillar's claim, then GameRager is likely scum. Btw a but of wifom about who might be doubting me. If you were scum and would have a PR and a goon, which would execute the NK. Thus I think I can rule myself out as SPF's scumbuddy. I will check back tomorrow with a bit of recap, when I have time.
Is this GR is scum leaning of yours an honest gauge of me in the game, OMGUS after my vote for you, or a possible scum tell? At this point and without the info I asked about in my last proxy post I cannot tell for sure either way, so until you reply to that proxy post and this post I will keep my vote on you for now.

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blotunga: Just a short input. Today is family time so I won't be long online. I think that if I believe nmillar's claim, then GameRager is likely scum. Btw a but of wifom about who might be doubting me. If you were scum and would have a PR and a goon, which would execute the NK. Thus I think I can rule myself out as SPF's scumbuddy. I will check back tomorrow with a bit of recap, when I have time.
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nmillar: I tend to agree with this. For me, it is between trent and GameRager for the scum role, and a potential very well played Serial Killer played by RWarehall.
Why do you think RWareHall is a SK, if I may ask?

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nmillar: Okay, so 1 of trent, blotunga or GameRager is the remaining scum then. Of those, I'd say blotunga is the most likely to be town based on his interactions with SPF, so lynch one now, lose 1 town during the night and lynch the other tomorrow for a town victory.
Tbh Blotunga's posts to SPF could lean him either way....either it was a valid town play or he was bussing his scumbuddy on purpose.

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Well I GTG again for now. I will possibly post more today(irl time) until I go offline if Lift is still here to relay the messages.....if not then I will not be back until next time I login. Hopefully once I am back from forum jail I can post more often here and respond faster to people's replies and questions.
Posted September 08, 2019
@GameRager mainly due to the vig claim, but following trent's post, I'm reasonably happy that there isn't an SK, and we are now just hunting the remaining scum. As I said previously, I think blotunga is the least likely, but I've been wrong before.
Posted September 08, 2019
Actually, let's have a claim. Unvote trent, vote GameRager.
Posted September 08, 2019
Another GameRager Proxy Post:
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nmillar: @GameRager mainly due to the vig claim, but following trent's post, I'm reasonably happy that there isn't an SK, and we are now just hunting the remaining scum. As I said previously, I think blotunga is the least likely, but I've been wrong before.
Ok then. I am still waiting for blotunga and trent to reply to Post 371's questions and parts, though.

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nmillar: Actually, let's have a claim. Unvote trent, vote GameRager.
What kind of claim? If it's if I have any PR, then no.....I am a "vanilla" NRA/town with no PR to speak of. That good?

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As for any more replies, they will have to wait until I am back online and Lift posts them(I am writing this around 4PM EST), unless Lift comes back and I see more replies today(before I go offline) and post them and lift then proxy posts them.
Posted September 09, 2019
Unvote GameRager.
Posted September 09, 2019
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Lifthrasil: Another GameRager Proxy Post
(I'm on a mobile at the moment, so I won't quote, but leave the instructions where to vote which post as they were sent to me via PM. Please look up the quoted posts yourself)

Start of GRPP:
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Hmm, more posts.....not many, but enough to work with(based on content).

As for blotunga: His vote on me in post#355 seems a tad suspicious after I made my suspicions on him known earlier, but is likely more OMGUS. I'd still like his reasoning for it, though, and also his leanings with regards to nmillar.
It's part OMGUS and part the fact that you and nmillar were imho the most likely scum candidates.

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Lifthrasil: As for posts 356-360: Was Nmillar just mistyping the role name by accident? Are blotunga and trent piling on him too quickly and/or one of them a possible pacifist?

Trent/Blotunga.....both your possible reasons behind being suspicious of nmillar & your(blotunga's) prior vote on same being explained would be nice.
nmillar had a slow d1 and d2, so couldn't get much of a read. That's why he was on top of the suspect list.

Now you're my prime suspect now that nmillar made a claim which I tend to believe which by process of elimination leaves either you or trent. At this point I rather lynch you because I have more townish read of trent. I could ofc be completely wrong...

aim at Gamerager
Posted September 09, 2019
The way I see it, there can only be two possible scum.

Break 1: 2 kills, one of which was claimed by RWarehall. blotunga was blocked by RFG, so trent, GameRager or myself carried out the kill, as SPF used his own role block on blotunga as well.

Break 2: I was blocked by RFG, and RWarehall is the vigilante, as per Day 2 claim. The fact that nobody has counter claimed the second kill on break 1, suggests this is the truth.

This means blotunga, trent or GameRager carried out the kill.

So, if there is only one scum remaining, then it can only be trent or GameRager, as blotunga and myself were blocked on separate breaks.

Based on this, I'll join blotunga and vote GameRager. If this is wrong, then trent is the remaining scum, so whoever remains alive can vote him off on the final day.
Posted September 09, 2019
I'm doing a re-read. I'm getting a scum vibe out of Trent, not really his actions but the situation around him. Nothing definite but more gut feeling. Could be early distancing between SPF and Trent to throw people off on an ISO. Voting each other with soft prod votes that are easy enough to claim were prods if necessary, but putting enough on record that people might think they are excluded from being partners. Pro play, doing just enough to appear scum hunting but not really the primary push against anyone. Put its more a feeling that this is a possibility than being sure.

I really think Blotunga is Town. Put more on the line.

GameRager could go either way. He's either unfocused Town with no real commitment because he didn't find anything solid, or scum trying to "float" avoiding attention.

nmillar is definitely Town since there is no counterclaim.

The game state being the way it is, I'm find with GameRager today if Trent is tomorrow or visa versa.

We have 2 chances out of 3 and I'm more convinced Blotunga is Town than either GR or Trent are scum.

So I'll give GameRager a last response...
Posted September 09, 2019
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RWarehall: .
I agree with RWarehall and nmillar on this. If GR turns up town, and any of us except trent turn up dead, tomorrow it's your last chance to lynch trent :).
Posted September 09, 2019
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'Hey, don't suspect me! I got more guns than anybody else!' claims nmillar. That leads to a few words of discussion and then, with a few more words, the attention shifts to GameRager, who finds himself looking down two barrels now.

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Vote Count:

GameRager 2 - blotunga (384), nmillar (385)
blotunga 1 - GameRager (371)

not voting: trent, RWare
GameRager leads at L-1
Deadline is tomorrow evening or the morning after that.

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Posted September 09, 2019
And here's another thing....
Blotunga is almost certainly Town virtually the same way nmillar is Town through no counterclaim.

Unless this is a strange game where one scum can use two powers the same night (some games only allow that if down to one scum), or scum chose not to use its Roleblocker for no good reason...

SPF would be using his power the first night and his partner would have had to commit the kill. But since Blotunga was jailed that night by a confirmed Town and two people died, Blotunga could not have been that killer barring the unlikely exceptions named above.
Posted September 09, 2019
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RWarehall: I'm doing a re-read. I'm getting a scum vibe out of Trent
I agree with this, and I think trent is the more likely of the two (mainly due to voting at points that raise the least amount of suspicion - i.e. not too early, and not too late), but I'll happily settle for lynching GameRager as the only other possible suspect, as long as trent is lynched tomorrow.
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