I wasn't blaming you, just expressing sadness that flub jumped the gun.

You forgot that they were lego bricks. But yes. Now I have to figure out if you are scum trying to ramrod a mislynch through based off of my reasoning or town seeing a fellow townie's argunments and them ringing true. Or if Flub is (as you seem to think) scum.

GR had a chance to vote which flub threw under the bus. And it's not like GR was away for 48 hours or was on the verge of being modkilled either. If flub had given him a real chance to vote, by waiting for him before ending Day 0, we could have gotten insight on what he would be voting for (in terms of actual votes, that is). That would be just as useful a piece of information as any vote count, especially if his alignment is revealed. Look at Lift's role vote count, and notice how every player has a vote or two assigned to him, all except GameRager.

About him explaining his votes, as he was hammering the two roles in, I think he should have provided enough reason to justify ending the Day earlier and without GR's input. The vote just came out of nowhere. Now he did explain why he chose both roles, but not why he went ahead and closed the votes early. This I am still concerned about.

If you didn't post your reasoning, I would've done that on a reread. Remember my argument last game? blotunga bringing the vote count closer to the hammer could've resulted in Day 1 ending without dedo or you posting your views. The argument is similar here. Only difference is that by the time I actually looked at this thread, I had found the day already over.

So, having gone over the whole thread, I'm going to go with

Vote PookaMustard

His "defence" for Lift seems very odd. For starters, why? Bookwyrm and myself already mentioned the issue. Second, his "defence" brings nothing new. It's obvious that Lift's post could have been an honest mistake and it's obvious too that Lift is going to claim it as such regardless of his alignment. All in all it reminds me of Pooka's jumping to defend a Townie scene very early in the previous game. There is also the addition of "while not entirely innocent" in his post that I don't like.

His other post that I don't like is his accusation of flub in #77. I don't mind the accusations themselves (they're weak, but this is expected since it's just the beginning of the game), but the "counterarguments" part really feels like he's trying too hard to show everyone how he's analysing.

Vote Count

PookaMustard - 1 vote (ZFR)
ZFR - 1 vote (trentonlf)
flubbucket - 1 vote (PookaMustard)

Not voting: everyone else

PookaMustard, ZFR, and flubbucket are tied for most votes at L-4.

With 9 players, 5 is a majority.

The deadline is approximately 6 days from now.

It's actually 1 out of 6.

Oh, I never meant to infer you were blaming me...I was just apologizing a bit for not being able to vote on time.

He could've been trying to cast doubt on me by not letting me get my vote in, or he simply could've wanted to get the game going right away....both are equally valid without more proof either way.

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All in all I don't have much to go on as to who is what yet.......you guys/gals need to post more so I can read into it and analyze.

Btw a question to OP/ALL: Is it ok/within the rules to add personal flavor to the game? Like can one act out their day to day within the setting(as long as it stays within the rules) besides just replying to posts and analyzing said posts?

(Also to op: Sorry about bolding the divider above....I did it as italics and underlining wouldn't work very good with such dividers and I mainly do it to divide post sections. I hope it isn't a problem)

Says the guy who has routinely taken kill shots at himself, and who has left a mason buddy at L-1 for hours before finally unvoting.

GR had a chance to at least express which town PRs interested him. He did not.

I don't know about you, but I was already contemplating the possibilities before I was able to post.

I don't fault GR for not having time to read the thread. I don't even fault him for not placing actual votes when he posted, but he certainly did have a chance to say something like "I'm leaning toward X and Y for the roles. More explanation later." Such an initial opinion does not have any reliance on what anyone else might be saying.

This feels like an isolated demand for rigor. Please point out if I missed something, but quick scanning of your previous posts shows no interest in querying reasons for voted roles, including Flub's initial Roleblocker vote, and most players didn't provide much explanation with their votes so there was plenty of room for you to ask.

Considering a single vote for Cop OR Watcher would have selected Cop/Watcher as our roles, and who knows what an unvote might have done, I find it hard to fault Flub for finishing things if he prefered Cop + Doctor. And, as you sort of note, it was kind of nice that Town was actually decisive instead of hemming and hawing into the deadline.

Read the two Russian Roulette games that ZFR played.

I don't see why not. Just be aware that your fellow players will likely scrutinize it. They will probably also look at you pretty funny if you seem to be spending all your time acting out your day instead of adding value to the conversation.

Thank you. Reading that really made me happy.

1. Oh, my bad...I though they meant IRL russian roulette odds.

2. Thanks....I used to sometimes add such flavor to some posts in my initial attempts at mafia just to test out my passion for writing & add a bit of fun to the game. I will try to keep it to a minimum so as to not disrupt the game too much and I welcome anyone to read into such what they will,. though it is likely it will just be meaningless(for finding out information about anything in the game) fluff.

As far as I am concerned, a bit of role-playing is fine. However, as Bookwyrm said, it might confuse Town players and give Scum players an opening to attack you. So it's not the most prudent play-style. But if it increases your fun in the game, that is a good trade-off. After all we play to have fun and if you have more fun with a bit of roleplay than with a purely dry and sensible play, go for it.

About suspicions:
I'm a bit torn on the Pooka/flubb issue. Yes, flubb has been behaving scummy. His unexplained 'hammer', which cut off Day 0 prematurely, looks like a scum move. But it also looks like a normal flubb move. The problem is, he has cultivated his scumminess to a point where it is seen as normal that he does scummy things. But should he get a free pass for that? I think not? So it is totally possible that Pooka is right in making a case against flubb.
However, it is also possible that Pooka is scum himself and just goes for the easy target. Flubb is an easy target, because as I said, he is always scummy. So whenever flubb is town, scum can safely point out that he is scummy.

'Coincidentally' Pooka and flubb are also the last two voters, who locked in the Doc together, after the Doc-train had been set in motion again by Micro. So it is also possible that both Pooka and flubb are scum who are playing a little distancing game. At the moment I would be willing to lynch either of these two. Too bad we don't have two votes anymore. :-)

ZFR struck me as over-eager on D0, but now he appears to be genuine in his scum-hunting. Could he be acting? Sure, ZFR is good at acting. But for now I don't see me voting him. Same for Bookwyrm. Micro is rather neutral and I don't have a feeling for GR or Red yet.

I would also like to know a bit more about the game setting. What is the time period? Are the scum mafia, pirates, mutineers, or Russian agents? What type of ship is the HMSS Spectator?

I also just read this part of Dracula where he kills people on a boat one by one while the crew grow progressively more paranoid. I thought it was pretty cool to read that just after starting mafia.

First off, sorry for editing your post(I mainly do such to organize my thoughts and I hope that's alright). That said:

1. Yeah, I like roleplaying sometimes and even tried it a bit long ago with a forum game that kinda stalled out....still, it hasn't deterred me from loving writing.

2. I would say GR is a roleplaying savant. :D


Well as for the first bit: We have little flavor from OP but I would assume it's set in the future from current day IRL. As for mafia....who knows...same with what type of ship it is.

As for the second bit: Lol dracula...reminds me of this bit of dark humor about the garlic shooting's "true killer". It was a pic of "Dr. Acula" complaining about garlic.

(To all: That last bit is not me trying to make fun of said incident)

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That all aside/to all: I will add a bit of flavor to a few of my posts maybe tomorrow(irl) sometime....stay tuned.

Also will be back again tomorrow in 18+ hours(have shopping/irl errands/etc)...later all. :)

Pretty much this. If you're willing to accept the consequences, then go for it.

I could see either one being scum (currently I'd select Pooka as guilty), but I'm not getting a feeling of scum together. That just doesn't quite feel right.

ZFR's posting looks technically correct (the best kind of correct!), though the feeling behind it has felt...dry?

For example, in Trent vs ZFR, ZFR is saying all the right words and in a Quality of Argument choice I'd select him as superior in a heartbeat (in this instance), but Trent's post rang more emotionally true. (Weird dichotomy to be feeling, btw.)

Just checked that post myself. Can it be really a chance if he asked if it's okay to check tomorrow and that's it? The way I see it, he could have had just enough time to post what he said before running off to catch his train or something. Or he could have held back his judgement because he has no idea what are the preferences of the other players are, and if their opinions affect how he sees these roles.

I didn't give it much thought at first because I thought like usual, we'd stall until the deadline four days later, and that this wasn't as critical because we wouldn't have lost a player to overeager mafia. As far as I'm concerned, most of what I've seen of votes explained why the cop should be present and why watcher or doctor. I took flub's initial roleblocker vote as...flub being flub. But as Lift is saying, why should flub continue being given free passes for his play style? His vote had me interested in the reasons behind it because of how suddenly it came and how scummy it looks given the "hammer." This alone makes the vote a prime interest.

Even if you think my case doesn't warrant further pursuing of flub at the moment, don't you think there's merit in getting him to show more about himself so that we can decide whether he leans mafia or town rather than just think "that's flub alright"?

It was a town blotunga. Note that I would have jumped to his defense even if I was town, and I would have pursued the lightning rod scene even if I was town. And again, it was my question that provided me the answer I needed about where the three came from; why are you still omitting that part?

Also you keep bringing up that you and Wyrm already mentioned the issue. Fine, let's play that game. What if you were both scum? I don't know the motives behind you mentioning the thing with Lift, but I know mine. Now, what if five people asked Lift about this thing? Or even the remaining 8 players? There's something suspect about the "but wyrm and I already did it" logic that you're using against me. And let's also play that other game. What if I omitted the "while not entirely innocent" bit that bothers you?

So you want me to not show my counterarguments at all? Fine by me. But I think it is healthy to bring up the arguments and their weaknesses, so that then the rest of the players can take them both into account and make a sound decision. It would be in my favor as mafia to just drop the arguments and leave the weaknesses out.

Funny. I just finished reading Dracula a couple days ago. I adore the format of the story especially.

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As it stands, my vote priorities are now ZFR and flub. Lift and trent I am getting town reads from (Lift talking about flub "scummy" play rings true to me, trent bringing up ZFR wanting the power roles out). GR being cut off from his role voting powers reads as slightly town. Everyone else is neutral (Micro looks the same as he did in the previous games, but I did think he was liberal from his playstyle when he was actually fascist in a Secret Hitler, so I'm cautious about him, RedFireGaming hasn't showed us much to go from, Wyrm is still Wyrm but there's no sign he's town or mafia yet).