Thank you! :D
Congratulations to the happy pair! I hope the weekend was every bit as great--or rather, way better than--you anticipated!

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There was more I wanted to say, but I dozed off while making the previous post, had a perfectly great argument built in my mind, and cannot remember a bit of it.

G'night all.

I only viewed your first Town game and yes it was completely different to this game in style. In that game you were really useful for Town, one of the best Town players at analysing everything for Town. It helped Town and you were lynched you because of it. This game you haven't been as helpful. Granted we all have none game commitments

The fact you 'haven't realised I was on Joe's wagon' and making a case for him makes me question whether you're not reading the game because you've figured everything out

Votes Microfish

Nothing I said was an attack on you personally, please don't take it as such. I know you also have out-of-game commitments; I wasn't trying to take away from the importance of your own.
Yes, I was a decent town player in 57, I also stated elsewhere--in PMs (Joe can vouch for this) and in public--that I couldn't healthily keep up that kind of work.

Also, you may or may not have been on Joe's wagon, the point of the matter is that you were not on his wagon when the bell rang, the curtain fell, and the day ended See:
And now, bed for reals. But I'm starting to think Scene & Joe are a team.

This makes me think Micro is scum.

This makes me think micro is town.

This is an unexpected reaction, but I don't know what to make of it.


Do you want me to?

I'm not voting for bookwyrm because I think his rally against a town powerrole refusing to acknowledge the positives to NOT lunching that powerrole was too audacious for scum.

Bookwyrm, Dedo, Trent - in the last game we played it got mentioned a few times that Bookwyrm's scum game is quite obvious and easily recognisable to Yogsloth and dedo among others. I've been assuming that tearing out of the woodwork thirsting for town roleblocker's blood is something that mafiesque bookwyrm wouldn't do. Is that the case?

Ugh. Overall I think I want to unvote microfish.


Gogtrial can't be mafia because he didn't want GameRager's lunch (unless he was supremely confident it would go through without him...)
Trent can't be mafia because he refused to vote GameRager - but Trent does that sort of thing anyway.
Dedo can't be mafia because he town-reads me when mafiesque-dedo would have no business to.
Bookwyrm can't be mafia because of End of Day 2.
Micro can't be mafia because he waited till the very end to join GameRager's wagon.
Scene can't be mafia because he claimed vanilla town early for no reason and has appeared to draw town conclusions
Flub can't be mafia because he was seemed convinced about GameRager and was confidently utterly wrong. (hmmm... questionable)
Pooka can't be mafia because we've all been assuming he's town all game?.. Why do I think pooka's town I forget?

SO:

MOST TOWNY
^
Gogtrial
SupplementScene
Bookwyrm
Trent
Dedo
Microfish
Flub
Pooka
v
LEAST TOWNY



Oop, yeah I remember this... Now I feel like an insensitive jerkwad.


Alright. We're stuck. Give us a hint.

Saying it's obvious and easily recognizable is an overstatement and underestimation of Wyrm so I will take offense for him.

I'm pretty sure scum!wyrm would do it if he believes he has to. I still hold a grudge against him and the naive Town players of one particular game (it wasn't the exact same situation but his boldness and other people's sheepness (most notably zeogold, if I remember correctly)) has left a permanent mark on me.

That being said, I'm still pretty sure he's Town.


I'm going in some meetings now, I'll be on a bit later and I'll share some thoughts of my own.

Well, that escalated quick.

Now to be fair to scene, you, Microfish, have played with him while both of you were scum in Secret Hitler. Not Mafia, but the premise of "clueless majority versus informed minority trying to hide among the clueless majority" is present in both games. He probably took that game into account as well.

The entirety of the GameRager saga began with scene voting Joe followed by GameRager (who thought scene was scum) voting Joe!

followed by...three posts later:

Now I'll grant you that scene wasn't on Joe's wagon at EOD, instead opting for GR. But I mean, come on, scene initiating the Joe wagon was the precursor to GR and his weird play.

Honestly, I'm not sure which of you two worry me more.

*cough*

Please explain why you believe I am the least Towny? Reading your list, flub would make more sense to put as the LEAST TOWNY, but you have just about nothing really damning to say against me.

**emphasis mine**

This alone should make JoeSapphire look scummy.

I have nothing UNdamning to say about you. This is off the top of my head, but my approach to the whole list was "Why do I think such-and-such is town?" and thus find the mafia through Process of Elimination.

So flub goes above you, because I can see town mindset in the way he approached GameRager's lunch.

One way or another, and it could easily be me just having forgot or overlooked something, but I can't recall anything that makes me thing "Pooka's probably not scum then".

Hence you currently hold pride of place at the bottom of my list.

Interesting.
Who else do you think is town?


It was him who said it!

I'm cool with talking and new ideas up until around 24 hours before deadline. I'm not cool with someone tossing something new out there right at deadline; all too often it leads to a confused scramble and pushes the risk of No Lynch way up.

If you want to propose things like No Lynch, then don't do it when we're up against the deadline. Do it when there is time to actually talk about it, and scum have to actually work at responding instead of taking advantage of EOD confusion and rush.

If you want to push someone close enough to lynch that they'll claim, then try not to wait until deadline to do it. Etc.

I'll believe you didn't see my hammer, but a delay between our votes was noticeable to my keenly honed murderin' eye.

Should we lynch people that look like they aren't reading the thread?

That's a nod toward certain players. Dedo has pierced the veil at least once (he notes a game we both remember quite well), Bler has had very good accuracy in identifying me as Town even on D1, and Yogsloth is smart (note how he role copped me and put together I was town). Scum!Wyrm is going to place a premium on all their heads simply as a matter of self defense.

That said, I have yet to be lynched as scum. Granted, I've only had 6 scum games (I think), and one of them was ended by the mod during D1 while two of them had no town at all.

That's what I said:

" it got mentioned a few times that Bookwyrm's scum game is quite obvious and easily recognisable to Yogsloth and dedo among others."

I know dedo is the one taking offense on your behalf and that might just be a joke, but I didn't want you to be offended.

How did you feel when you saw GameRager's flip? I'm assuming an initial wave of "wow Joe was right he's so cool" followed by...?

AHA I found it. It was Pooka's alarm that supplementscene's wagon grew to 5 strong in a short space of time early Day 1.

You remember? And then he warned blotunga off it, and blotunga stepped back and then we all lunched blotunga and it turned out blotunga was town and Joe was wrong? And then SirP and Carr got shot. Ah those were simpler times...


Do I still think that Pooka must be town based on that? Hm... I wouldn't like to say he's incapable of a complex deception, but it would be so easy to turn a blind eye or take a less strong hand in the matter.

Microfish - how's Pooka's Secret H game? Has he been practising outwardly L appearance to disguise his F nature a lot lately? Or anything?


I guess my list currently looks like

MOST TOWNY
^
Gogtrial
SupplementScene
Dedo
Pooka
Bookwyrm
Trent
Microfish
Flub
v
LEAST TOWNY

I bumped dedo up a bit after his response to me about bookwyrm. I got thinking "okay I'll trust dedo's read" and then I thought "why??" and then I thought "I just do."

^ The brain of Joe, quantified.

Fake news.

D,;



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Alright guys, what's the plan? Who wants to do what?