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Posted June 18, 2019
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Bookwyrm627: I'm surprised you would think that "we know how many scum are alive" isn't useful information for town, especially since it also helps inform us about what roles scum have.
It's either one or two. And I don't really see how important scum roles are. Just assume there is a blocker and/or a godfather and go from there. On the flipside the scum have one foot in the grave now, maybe more. They need to start killing off important roles as they just don't have time to do fool around. So yeah, I'd rather hide Town PRs and assume the worst on scum numbers and roles and just lean on them until the last one gives in.

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Bookwyrm627: Beyond that, the tone I'm getting from your posts (overall) feels...off. I'm not getting a town!dedo vibe from you this game.
I see, unfortunately the fact is I am town so I assume I'm not doing a great job so far. Or am I?

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Bookwyrm627: I guess Scene will call you town.
This I didn't quite understand.
Posted June 18, 2019
I'm sorry, but I have to poke a little fun at scene while it's still fresh.

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supplementscene: 8. Joe uses the phrase LUNCH instead of LYNCH
Also Scene to ZFR in the first Discord game:
5. He spent a LONG TIME writing a 2 word reply - he was thinking and wasn't sure what to write. In the end he decided to be flippant.
Please carry on, don't mind me.
Posted June 18, 2019
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supplementscene: Re-reading and I think Joe is Mafia:


8. Joe uses the phrase LUNCH instead of LYNCH

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ZFR: Not from me. If it was up to me, I'd let everyone edit their posts all day long. But my mod partner Lift... he's crazy. Really hates mergers. I wouldn't put anything past him.

In all seriousness though: please do be careful everyone. Don't test my leniency too much.
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supplementscene: Good to hear, I'm off to edit all of the really suspicious posts I've made now I've been given the okay on this
Hmm, you make a good point with that last one. o.0

Vote JoeSapphire

(Be aware that I am doing it mainly to see if you are scum trying to get town lynched, and if he is proven town and gets lynched I will have my sights on you the next day)

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I wouldn't do that.....;)
Posted June 18, 2019
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GameRager: Hmm, you make a good point with that last one. o.0

Vote JoeSapphire

(Be aware that I am doing it mainly to see if you are scum trying to get town lynched, and if he is proven town and gets lynched I will have my sights on you the next day)

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I wouldn't do that.....;)
Say what now?
Posted June 18, 2019
Hey all. Had a super exhausting day and evening. Just read over the thread, and saw lots of eyebrow-raising posts, but I find I lack the energy to dive in. Going to go play a game for a bit, and might try again in an hour, but I figure it's more likely that it'll be tomorrow.
Posted June 18, 2019
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GameRager: Hmm, you make a good point with that last one. o.0

Vote JoeSapphire

(Be aware that I am doing it mainly to see if you are scum trying to get town lynched, and if he is proven town and gets lynched I will have my sights on you the next day)

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I wouldn't do that.....;)
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dedoporno: Say what now?
I am suspicious of scene for the reasons I listed previously, so I am going with his vote and also voting the same. If Joe is proven town then I will vote for scene the next day as that will make me more suspicious of him.


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gogtrial34987: Hey all. Had a super exhausting day and evening. Just read over the thread, and saw lots of eyebrow-raising posts, but I find I lack the energy to dive in. Going to go play a game for a bit, and might try again in an hour, but I figure it's more likely that it'll be tomorrow.
Have fun and see ya then.
Posted June 18, 2019
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supplementscene: @Joe what do you make of SPF being on your wagon for so long until late into Day 1? Is he your scumbuddy this time?
Nope, no scumbuddies for Joe!
I think thought he'd have a go at building a mislynch on his dear friend Joe and then didn't really give it much of a go and then didn't bother to think of a good way to back out of it. That interaction is what got me thinking that he could be scum, but I thought to myself "don't I always think SirP's scum?". Also blotunga was doing all that stuff...

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supplementscene: BUT, then I look at SPF. Why was he so vehemently on Joe's wagon for so long? When I play Scum I like to distance by jumping on a Scumbuddies wagon. Was SPF doing this? It almost means SPF doesn't have to fear offending Town players.

Why did Joe stay on a Town wagon and not move to mine or any others as the game developed? It's almost lazy and it's what he did as a 3rd faction when he kept his vote on me. I asked him about it twice to actually get the response to why Blotunga was on his wagon.
Is it fair to say vehemently? That makes it sound like he was being pressured to remove his vote or vote someone else and he was sticking to it. Was that the case?

I didn't move to yours because I don't believe in it. Which other wagons should I have moved to?

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PookaMustard: On one hand, it is consistent with how trent plays. He'd rather get a mislynch if it nails us information than end the day without one.
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dedoporno: I'm not sure if that's entirely correct. I've come to expect trent to not vote for whomever just for the sake of voting without finding said player at least a bit scummy.
Oh yeah that's true!! I've been flubbergasted before that Trent can be so certain as to not vote someone just because he thinks they're town!

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JoeSapphire: ..when I said they meant nothing I was trying to say that I thought they were pure nonsense?
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Bookwyrm627: Sounds like I misunderstood you on this point. It sounded you were saying that they were pure nonsense; I've seen enough to know they aren't, but they also aren't game relevant per word-of-mod.

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JoeSapphire: Which was it? I'm guessing you thought he deserved it? How do you mean?
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Bookwyrm627: I plead the fifth. Read into that whatever you like.
But I just pointed out the significance of the second one, did you miss it? You must read EVERY word that i write they are ALL. nuggets. of. solid. gold. every. single. one.

and hmmmmmm....


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Bookwyrm627: Yesterday was D1. Also, yesterday we didn't have a mafioso and an SK dead on the ground. The space for scum to hide gets very, very small once (true) mason claim(s) hit the board, scum get stuck in a very ugly situation of having only one NK and too many confirmed townies and an unknown number of Doctors/Roleblockers, and any town vig will know who NOT to target. All sorts of possible good stuff.

And a note to townies: Please do not claim mason if you aren't a mason.
yeah I guess that makes sense... I was considering only day phase but town knowing masons would be useful for night too I hadn't considered.

I think I think bookwyrm's town...


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GameRager: 1. What do you mean about the pattern? Care to enlighten us skimmers? :)
Well! Squidge the Primeape was ZFR's role in game 54, Laura Roslin was ZFR's role in game 53, Calluninski was the sample role in game 55 that ZFR hosted, and O'Leary or whatever it was was ZFR's role in the second Russian Roulette game! Also the film-set in space with a large conspicuous Sapphire is the setting for game 57, and the army tents on a mountain with evidence of a set of lovers and an innocent child is the setting for game 55 (the lovers were me and gogtrial and the innocent child was flub)

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JoeSapphire: You killed Carr didn't you? What was your reason?
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GameRager: What's with this claim? Proof or just wild guessing/silly guessing?
Oh yeah. Well I was thinking "who would target Carr?" and I thought "if somebody did it for a reason it would probably be someone who's familiar with his game, and as he's not played a full game around here for a while that narrows it down to flub, bookwyrm, dedo, trent, gogtrial. I had a look at those names and thought I'd ask the question to one of them hoping they'd spit out their tea, fall off their chair and stammer "how... how did you know??" while they struggle to put their wig back on. I'm not sure what to make of bookwyrm's response but I think I like it.

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JoeSapphire: Fish - how do you feel about lynching supplementscene today?
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GameRager: Why are you up for lynching scene? I am suspicious of him(for now) but want to know your full reasoning why.
It wasn't an offer, it was just a question. I'm not ABSOLUTELY against scene's lunch, but he's on my "probably town" pile.


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supplementscene: Re-reading and I think Joe is Mafia:

1. Joes asks my opinion of Blotunga after I stated it. I then ask him his opinion of Blotunga. He initially misses this. I ask him again and he replies. He's clearly not reading everything, something Mafia feel they don't need to because they know everything

2. Initially Joe answers 'I'm wondering about Blotunga what do you think of him' after keeping his RVS vote on him. I Then I ask him his opinion of every player including Blotunga. He doesn't reply about Blotunga but does a superfiscial statements about most of the other players. Surely he should be first commenting about the person he's voting for but no.

3. SPF had his vote on Joe for a long time. They are friends outside the game. But I believe a good game reason is that they were drawn together. SPF can avoid upsetting a Town player while distancing from a Scumbuddy.

4. In post 223 he finally analyses Blotunga. The focus isn't on the odd vote then initial reply to Pooka which seemed the most suspect but replies that retrospectively didn't look suspect.

5. He defends me to Trent regarding me ignoring the set up. This seems buddying to me.

6. No real accusations or suspicions of anyone. He asks load of questions but no real firm opinion of his own.

7. When asked by Gogtrial 'is the Joe vote a real feeling', SPF said 'The vote was sort of RVS, the thinking behind it was serious but not enough to support actually lunching him at this point.'

It's a long RVS vote and supposedly 'serious' despite Joe not really saying anything of note

8. Joe uses the phrase LUNCH instead of LYNCH

VOTES JOESAPPHIRE
Yeah I was expecting someone to think this. I was deliberately holding off my explanation of my blotunga vote - did I explain that? I think I did. Anyway, despite pretty much all you say here being true, it's wrong, I'm not on SirP's team.
Posted June 18, 2019
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Bookwyrm627: I'm surprised you would think that "we know how many scum are alive" isn't useful information for town, especially since it also helps inform us about what roles scum have.
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dedoporno: It's either one or two. And I don't really see how important scum roles are. Just assume there is a blocker and/or a godfather and go from there. On the flipside the scum have one foot in the grave now, maybe more. They need to start killing off important roles as they just don't have time to do fool around. So yeah, I'd rather hide Town PRs and assume the worst on scum numbers and roles and just lean on them until the last one gives in.
If it is 1, then we know any Cops are useless. If it is 2, then odds look good that any Town reads by Cops aren't being misled.

If it is 1, we know there aren't any more scum interactions to watch for. If it is 2, we can keep an eye out for the interaction, especially looking at wagons.

Either way, we know when we're at Mylo/Lylo.

At this point, the only PR I'm requesting claim is the Masons, because I think Town stands to gain a lot more than it risks.

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Bookwyrm627: I guess Scene will call you town.
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dedoporno: This I didn't quite understand.
Your information is wrong, therefore you didn't pay much attention to the setup page, therefore you aren't scum, because only scum are going to closely read the setup.
Posted June 18, 2019
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GameRager: I am suspicious of scene for the reasons I listed previously, so I am going with his vote and also voting the same. If Joe is proven town then I will vote for scene the next day as that will make me more suspicious of him.
You are suspicious of scene and you would rather mislynch first and then go after scene than go for him directly? Wat?


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Bookwyrm627: At this point, the only PR I'm requesting claim is the Masons, because I think Town stands to gain a lot more than it risks.
Mason claims I do understand but I don't think gogtrial and Pooka were talking about masons.

As for the numbers I didn't look at things from this perspective. Mylo and Lylo are still quite far away to worry about.

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Bookwyrm627: Your information is wrong, therefore you didn't pay much attention to the setup page, therefore you aren't scum, because only scum are going to closely read the setup.
Heh. I didn't mean it in that way and I'm pretty sure you are aware of that.
Posted June 18, 2019
I'm back from being afk all day yesterday
will read and catch up asap
Posted June 19, 2019
Vote Count

(When you see a vote count please quickly make sure your vote is against the correct player. Let me know if it's not)

JoeSapphire 2 - scene, GameRager
Micro 1 - trent

Everyone else - 0
Not voting: everyone else

10 players left. It takes 6 to lynch.
Posted June 19, 2019
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GameRager: 1. What do you mean about the pattern? Care to enlighten us skimmers? :)
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JoeSapphire: Well! Squidge the Primeape was ZFR's role in game 54, Laura Roslin was ZFR's role in game 53, Calluninski was the sample role in game 55 that ZFR hosted, and O'Leary or whatever it was was ZFR's role in the second Russian Roulette game! Also the film-set in space with a large conspicuous Sapphire is the setting for game 57, and the army tents on a mountain with evidence of a set of lovers and an innocent child is the setting for game 55 (the lovers were me and gogtrial and the innocent child was flub)

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GameRager: What's with this claim? Proof or just wild guessing/silly guessing?
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JoeSapphire: Oh yeah. Well I was thinking "who would target Carr?" and I thought "if somebody did it for a reason it would probably be someone who's familiar with his game, and as he's not played a full game around here for a while that narrows it down to flub, bookwyrm, dedo, trent, gogtrial. I had a look at those names and thought I'd ask the question to one of them hoping they'd spit out their tea, fall off their chair and stammer "how... how did you know??" while they struggle to put their wig back on. I'm not sure what to make of bookwyrm's response but I think I like it.

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GameRager: Why are you up for lynching scene? I am suspicious of him(for now) but want to know your full reasoning why.
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JoeSapphire: It wasn't an offer, it was just a question. I'm not ABSOLUTELY against scene's lunch, but he's on my "probably town" pile.

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supplementscene: Re-reading and I think Joe is Mafia:

1. Joes asks my opinion of Blotunga after I stated it. I then ask him his opinion of Blotunga. He initially misses this. I ask him again and he replies. He's clearly not reading everything, something Mafia feel they don't need to because they know everything

2. Initially Joe answers 'I'm wondering about Blotunga what do you think of him' after keeping his RVS vote on him. I Then I ask him his opinion of every player including Blotunga. He doesn't reply about Blotunga but does a superfiscial statements about most of the other players. Surely he should be first commenting about the person he's voting for but no.

3. SPF had his vote on Joe for a long time. They are friends outside the game. But I believe a good game reason is that they were drawn together. SPF can avoid upsetting a Town player while distancing from a Scumbuddy.

4. In post 223 he finally analyses Blotunga. The focus isn't on the odd vote then initial reply to Pooka which seemed the most suspect but replies that retrospectively didn't look suspect.

5. He defends me to Trent regarding me ignoring the set up. This seems buddying to me.

6. No real accusations or suspicions of anyone. He asks load of questions but no real firm opinion of his own.

7. When asked by Gogtrial 'is the Joe vote a real feeling', SPF said 'The vote was sort of RVS, the thinking behind it was serious but not enough to support actually lunching him at this point.'

It's a long RVS vote and supposedly 'serious' despite Joe not really saying anything of note

8. Joe uses the phrase LUNCH instead of LYNCH

VOTES JOESAPPHIRE
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JoeSapphire: Yeah I was expecting someone to think this. I was deliberately holding off my explanation of my blotunga vote - did I explain that? I think I did. Anyway, despite pretty much all you say here being true, it's wrong, I'm not on SirP's team.
Interesting...though it hardly proves much(to me). I will think on it, though.

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Sounds good

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Ok then, but why use the word LUNCH instead of lynch yet again? Odd wording....sending singals to other scum/town or what?

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If that's true and you get lynched then I will gladly go after whoever voted you as suspect/possible scum, starting with scene.


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GameRager: I am suspicious of scene for the reasons I listed previously, so I am going with his vote and also voting the same. If Joe is proven town then I will vote for scene the next day as that will make me more suspicious of him.
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dedoporno: You are suspicious of scene and you would rather mislynch first and then go after scene than go for him directly? Wat?
As I said(how could I explain it simpler?): I will join the wagon and if Joe turns out town then I will analyze his wagon compared to the first day's wagon and pick the most likely suspect to vote next...which will likely be scene(He has been very defnsive/posted alot when confronted and also he started the wagon on Joe today).

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Microfish_1: I'm back from being afk all day yesterday
will read and catch up asap
When you get a moments your analysis of the latest posts from scene and JoeSapphire would be appreicated.
Posted June 19, 2019
I've been a little busy. I was managing my passwords on Google, with the end goal being to have no passwords saved on Google, and having most passwords changed. As you can imagine, this took a bit of time that I could have used to play Mafia. However, I'll do a little something for now and hopefully I address the rest later.

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GameRager: Vote JoeSapphire

(Be aware that I am doing it mainly to see if you are scum trying to get town lynched, and if he is proven town and gets lynched I will have my sights on you the next day)
If scene is scum trying to get town lynched, shouldn't the vote BE ON SCENE? It's strange that you're voting Joe on the premise that if he flips town, you'll keep your eyes on scene.
Posted June 19, 2019
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PookaMustard: I've been a little busy. I was managing my passwords on Google, with the end goal being to have no passwords saved on Google, and having most passwords changed. As you can imagine, this took a bit of time that I could have used to play Mafia. However, I'll do a little something for now and hopefully I address the rest later.

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GameRager: Vote JoeSapphire

(Be aware that I am doing it mainly to see if you are scum trying to get town lynched, and if he is proven town and gets lynched I will have my sights on you the next day)
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PookaMustard: If scene is scum trying to get town lynched, shouldn't the vote BE ON SCENE? It's strange that you're voting Joe on the premise that if he flips town, you'll keep your eyes on scene.
I'd vote scene if there was a wagon on him atm, but there isn't. If that changes I would gladly change my vote, though.
Posted June 19, 2019
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GameRager: I'd vote scene if there was a wagon on him atm, but there isn't. If that changes I would gladly change my vote, though.
Judging by the previous day, scene was a wagon that went up to L-2 before blotunga's took over. Meanwhile, Joe didn't even have a one-vote wagon by the end of Previous day. I think he had a RVS vote on him or two, but that was it. It is more likely that by the end of htis day, Scene will have a sizeable wagon.

This logic of voting if there was a wagon would apply if it's nearly the end of the Day and you need a lynch to go through, but we're still at the start. Even Joe's wagon itself consists of only you and scene (wagon starter) so...I'm still confuzzled. You could have voted scene instead.
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