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Posted June 10, 2019
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SirPrimalform: Town in terms of the C9++ dice rolls sure
That technicality is all I need to claim unbroken string of rolling town.

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SirPrimalform: but IIRC you didn't have the town win-con right? It would be generous to call you third party even, you were basically a secret mafia faction. :P
Correct, but on the other hand, the assistant mod called me "oh so town". Surely that must count for something? :D
Posted June 10, 2019
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JoeSapphire: Are you mafia?

Tell me now and be honest!
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gogtrial34987: I wish! :( Still keeping up my endless string of rolling town, and this time ZFR didn't even give it a twisty modifier.

How about you? You know I'm going to be able to see right through you if you are...
Great! I'm town too. This is easy.


Vote Blotunga
Posted June 10, 2019
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gogtrial34987: I wish! :( Still keeping up my endless string of rolling town, and this time ZFR didn't even give it a twisty modifier.

How about you? You know I'm going to be able to see right through you if you are...
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JoeSapphire: Great! I'm town too. This is easy.
Oh no, big bro, tell me it isn't so! You rolled scum again?!

vote Joe

Why blotunga, btw? Isn't it a bit early for exposing your buddy through bussing like that?
Posted June 10, 2019
Okay a few interesting observations, I'll reserve my comments on one of them until later so I can analyse behaviour more thoroughly before jumping on anything.
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gogtrial34987: @New(ish) players: Be very certain to actively and closely READ the C9++ wiki page and understand the meaning of what you read there. Really, take some time to think about the consequences of how the setup is determined.
So I read the wiki and the I questioned how much this benefited me as a Town Player. I know there's a 50% chance of Serial Killer of their own alignment. So this mean there can be 2 kills per night, right

If there's only 1 death, that likely means the serial killer either doesn't exist or has 1 night bulletrproof. I kind of bet we have an SK though. ZFR put another faction in his last game and I bet he's done it again here.

Also does this information you're asking us to research help Mafia or Town more? Is it a call to newbie Mafia players - look at what roles Town have before they start posting? Surely only Mafia really have to think about 'the consequences' where as Town players vote based squarely on scumhunting. Perhaps the scumhunting for a Serial Killer is more nuanced but really it isn't.

And what's more when asked if Mafia, you don't simply reply but you claim not to have a modifier, which kind of implies you don't have a role. Pretty much claiming vanilla on page 1 is bad play from a Town player but maybe something a Mafia player would down to say LAMIST - I'm Vanilla Town again, how boring.

VOTE GOGTRIAL
Posted June 10, 2019
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supplementscene: And what's more when asked if Mafia, you don't simply reply but you claim not to have a modifier, which kind of implies you don't have a role. Pretty much claiming vanilla on page 1 is bad play from a Town player but maybe something a Mafia player would down to say LAMIST - I'm Vanilla Town again, how boring.
^ You go this wrong - Gogtrial said he's town again this game, and specified that he's not a twisty-modified-town (as he was in game #55 - ZFR's last game)
Posted June 10, 2019
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supplementscene: I kind of bet we have an SK though. ZFR put another faction in his last game and I bet he's done it again here.
The extra faction in his last game was the advertised twist. Since this one is apparently C9++ without a twist, there's no point in trying to metaread ZFR because everything has been decided by his beloved random.org.
Posted June 10, 2019
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supplementscene: And what's more when asked if Mafia, you don't simply reply but you claim not to have a modifier, which kind of implies you don't have a role. Pretty much claiming vanilla on page 1 is bad play from a Town player but maybe something a Mafia player would down to say LAMIST - I'm Vanilla Town again, how boring.
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JoeSapphire: ^ You go this wrong - Gogtrial said he's town again this game, and specified that he's not a twisty-modified-town (as he was in game #55 - ZFR's last game)
The game where you were Lovers/Twins or whatever it was?

If so I retract the last accusation, the first one stands however
Posted June 10, 2019
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JoeSapphire: ^ You go this wrong - Gogtrial said he's town again this game, and specified that he's not a twisty-modified-town (as he was in game #55 - ZFR's last game)
Hah, by that definition of town everyone in any mafia game ever is town. "Don't mind Barry, he's just a modified-townie who nightkills in order to gain control of the vote."
Posted June 10, 2019
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SirPrimalform: Hah, by that definition of town everyone in any mafia game ever is town. "Don't mind Barry, he's just a modified-townie who nightkills in order to gain control of the vote."
I guess you could count "modified town" as "is, or has the appearance of a town role, but is modified." In this definition only the roles that are modified town roles are modified-townies.
Posted June 10, 2019
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supplementscene: If there's only 1 death, that likely means the serial killer either doesn't exist or has 1 night bulletrproof.
Or that both mafia and SK targetted the same player, or that either faction was roleblocked, or that the kill from either faction was prevented by a doctor, or that either faction decided to not use their killing ability. Or that both factions were roleblocked, withheld the kill, or were prevented by a doctor, with a town vig being responsible for the death.

What makes the two options you listed more "likely" than all the options I listed combined?

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supplementscene: I kind of bet we have an SK though. ZFR put another faction in his last game and I bet he's done it again here.
You don't believe he used random.org? You don't believe he set up the game as specified on the wiki page, but actively decided to put his thumb on the scale?
What makes you think so?

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supplementscene: Also does this information you're asking us to research help Mafia or Town more?
Mafia start with a big information advantage. Town should not willfully make that advantage even bigger by ignoring information available to them. There'll be a lot of conclusions that can be drawn as the game progresses; it'll pay to be aware of them.

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supplementscene: Perhaps the scumhunting for a Serial Killer is more nuanced but really it isn't.
Why not? I can think of some ways in which mafia could be found out which wouldn't be applicable to a SK. Can't you, or what makes you say this?
Posted June 10, 2019
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SirPrimalform: .................
Hah, by that definition of town everyone in any mafia game ever is town.
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Agreed.

I'm town.
Posted June 10, 2019
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supplementscene: The game where you were Lovers/Twins or whatever it was?

If so I retract the last accusation, the first one stands however
Sorry, yeah. That's what he was referring to.
Posted June 10, 2019
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supplementscene: If there's only 1 death, that likely means the serial killer either doesn't exist or has 1 night bulletrproof.
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gogtrial34987: Or that both mafia and SK targetted the same player, or that either faction was roleblocked, or that the kill from either faction was prevented by a doctor, or that either faction decided to not use their killing ability. Or that both factions were roleblocked, withheld the kill, or were prevented by a doctor, with a town vig being responsible for the death.

What makes the two options you listed more "likely" than all the options I listed combined?

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supplementscene: I kind of bet we have an SK though. ZFR put another faction in his last game and I bet he's done it again here.
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gogtrial34987: You don't believe he used random.org? You don't believe he set up the game as specified on the wiki page, but actively decided to put his thumb on the scale?
What makes you think so?

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supplementscene: Also does this information you're asking us to research help Mafia or Town more?
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gogtrial34987: Mafia start with a big information advantage. Town should not willfully make that advantage even bigger by ignoring information available to them. There'll be a lot of conclusions that can be drawn as the game progresses; it'll pay to be aware of them.

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supplementscene: Perhaps the scumhunting for a Serial Killer is more nuanced but really it isn't.
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gogtrial34987: Why not? I can think of some ways in which mafia could be found out which wouldn't be applicable to a SK. Can't you, or what makes you say this?
Firstly I think reading the Mafia Wiki helps Mafia players more than Town players because they know the roles they're up against. It could just you be helping players in general but it could also be coaching newer Mafia players and it's an easier alternative than saying 'Hey Guys, don't be too off the wall, you could be investigated or roleblocked'. For now you're my top suspect but it's early stages of the game.

You're right about all those possibilities I hadn't considered for their only bein one night and yourself and SPF are also right that ZFR probably used random.org - although that isn't necessarily true. Just because he does it in game doesn't mean out of game he might enjoy constructing roles in a certain manner.
Posted June 10, 2019
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supplementscene: You're right about all those possibilities I hadn't considered for their only bein one night and yourself and SPF are also right that ZFR probably used random.org - although that isn't necessarily true. Just because he does it in game doesn't mean out of game he might enjoy constructing roles in a certain manner.
He was saying in the sign-up thread that he's looking forward to randomly generating the roles - it's his favourite part of the game and it's already over.



Anyway. Who's playing this game?

Supplementscene, SirP, Gogtrial, Bookwyrm, Blotunga, PookaMustard, Microfish, Dedo, flubbucket,

hum.

Joe.

Three others.

OH YEAH Gamerager.

oops. I went to check sorry. Trentonlf and Carr. Sorry about that dudes.

SO - no new players, though Gamerager hasn't played in a long time.


Who do you guys reckon the mafias are?

I'm gonna say... Microfish, Carr and SirPrimalform.

Am I right?
Posted June 10, 2019
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(When you see a vote count please quickly make sure your vote is against the correct player. Let me know if it's not)

JoeSapphire 2 - Pooka, gogtrial
GameRager 1 - Bookwyrm
Bookwyrm 1 - GameRager
flub 1 - SirPrimalform
blotunga 1 - JoeSapphire
gogtrial 1 - scene

Everyone else - 0
Not voting: Micro, flub, agent, blotunga, trent, dedoporno

13 players left. It takes 7 to lynch.
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