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This is my favourite topic
Posted June 14, 2019
You may not discuss the wording of any PM, role or otherwise, you receive from me. Period.
Posted June 14, 2019
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flubbucket: I do wonder, though, if he's worthy of being followed or checked out just to make sure he's true to me.
To be honest, I have wondered about your several-hour-long absences, after which you come home smelling like champagne and CHANEL COCO MADEMOISELLE...

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gogtrial34987: From my PoV, my intent to vote scene (depending on the outcome of checking sources) should've already been pretty clear (from #64) when you placed your RVS vote. So when I saw you hopping on with an RVS vote just in the nick of time before I placed a second serious vote, I made certain you were fully caught up with the thread.
Your intention to vote wasn't clear to those not having your PoV. Also, I still don't see how I was supposed to know that I was RVS voting "just in the nick of time." I can't predict when/what you're going to post.

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supplementscene: SPF, Microfish, Agent need to commit to wagons.
I'm not sure why those three are the ones you singled out. Trentonlf wasn't voting, and both SPF and I were.

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blotunga: Btw I'm also vanilla town Laura Roslin at your service, nice to meet you.
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blotunga: Why not, people seem to want to lynch me anyway. So go ahead and hopefully my lynch matters in the end.
At L-4? That seems opportunistic.

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JoeSapphire: Blotunga's unrequested-vanilla-claim eliminates my masons theory
Why?
Posted June 14, 2019
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gogtrial34987: Joe: Is Bookwyrm your scum buddy?
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JoeSapphire: I have none ;(

And I'm not a serial killer neither! I see what you're trying to do!!

Is there something that inclines you link bookwyrm and Joe?
Mostly a complete lack of interaction or reads back and forth (as far as I recall; I didn't check before I asked that question, just forcibly started dragging myself out of the scene black hole).

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blotunga: You want me to read people in the first day? Well, I don't have a lot yet. Some people I've played with seem similar to before: scene with his rather aggressive style, fixation on trent, trent his lurky self, pooka as I said seemed to try very hard to appear analytical, almost LAMIST imho.
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JoeSapphire: Huh. And here you say that pooka's 'try-hard'ness is similar to before?
Interesting contrast, thanks for pointing that out!

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supplementscene: Also no reply to my accusation of misrepresentation
Except of course for my actual reply to that, near the end of #289

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gogtrial34987: * agentcarr: really didn't like his RVS vote on scene as a serious wagon was starting up; still, mostly suspicious as a trickle down effect from my suspicion of scene.
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supplementscene: This is a strangely thought out accusation. The person 2nd on the wagon still perhaps voting randomly is more suspicious than the person at 3 and 4?
The person acting as if voting randomly (thus not needing to give any reason for voting) on a wagon of a potential buddy, right as it was taking off, could (if both indeed are mafia) be doing so in order to give himself the ability to halt the momentum of the wagon at a strategic point in the future. Capable scum definitely try to look ahead like that, and if agent is scum, I'd fully expect him to be capable like that.
Was it the case here? Eh, probably not, as the majority of everything we think we see if just chasing after shadows, and the chances of me correctly identifying not just one, but two scum, within the first hundred posts of the game is extremely unlikely - but it rose enough about the background noise for me to give it consideration. (And if you do turn out to be scum, then it's going to be a connection that's going to deserve some attention, same as your behaviour toward microfish.)

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supplementscene: This is another example of you setting up your Day 2 and Day 3 lynches. Your targets are Me, Blotunga and Agent. Hey Scene was Town, this means Blotunga must be Mafia, oh wait Blotunga was Town too, Agent must be the Mafia player.
No, if you are town, agent doesn't have anything significant to put him on my radar.

You call it "setting up lynches", I call it "documenting my thoughts", so people can hold me accountable and verify for themselves how my thinking evolves, and we can all determine which wagons might be viable to not end up with nolynch.

Btw, are you now saying that you consider it likely that blotunga is town (despite your earlier vote), and that if I'm scum, you're concluding that blotunga must be town?
If blotunga turns out to be scum, would that have any effect on what you think of me?
Posted June 14, 2019
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supplementscene: SPF, Microfish, Agent need to commit to wagons.
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agentcarr16: I'm not sure why those three are the ones you singled out. Trentonlf wasn't voting, and both SPF and I were.
Because I wasn't aware Trent had unvoted if he had at that stage and neither Trents or Joes wagon is going anywhere. So to get a democratic choice on the last day I'm happy to lynch list helps, so for me order of preference is currently:

Gogtrial
Blotunga
GameRager
Bookwyrn
Trent

I'm also finding it very odd that Blotunga's vote is still on Flub. I mean even if he genuinely thinks I'm town, why isn't he voting on Gogtrial or GameRager who he said seemed Scummy?
Posted June 14, 2019
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trentonlf: @Scene and blotunga, per the OP “Names are just fluff. I only included them because it's nice to have names. A list of 13 names was made and randomized. So don't look for any alignment indication in names. They've been randomized. Randomized. Also, see note above about flavour”
Khm, I pointed out exactly that to scene.

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agentcarr16: To be honest, I have wondered about your several-hour-long absences, after which you come home smelling like champagne and CHANEL COCO MADEMOISELLE...

Your intention to vote wasn't clear to those not having your PoV. Also, I still don't see how I was supposed to know that I was RVS voting "just in the nick of time." I can't predict when/what you're going to post.

I'm not sure why those three are the ones you singled out. Trentonlf wasn't voting, and both SPF and I were.

At L-4? That seems opportunistic.

Why?
I was at L-2 if my count wasn't wrong (with scene).
Posted June 14, 2019
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trentonlf: @Scene and blotunga, per the OP “Names are just fluff. I only included them because it's nice to have names. A list of 13 names was made and randomized. So don't look for any alignment indication in names. They've been randomized. Randomized. Also, see note above about flavour”
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blotunga: Khm, I pointed out exactly that to scene.
As did I, in the very first post after his question.
Trent is aware you did so, as he co-directed his post to you. But you said "Knowing ZFR most likely they are randomly chosen", while trent and me quoted the exact bit of the OP that stated this for certain.

Not reading posts seems to be endemic to this game.
Posted June 14, 2019
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gogtrial34987: What are your current thoughts on blotunga, Microfish and agentcarr?
2. I'm a few pages behind since yesterday, and I have a meeting that will take most of today. However, I will have time tonight to focus and catch up.

4. Quick, moderately random scans of posts indicate we've got a claim, something about masons, and something about pm quoting. I'm going to hold commentary until I have a chance to sit, read things in order, and consider events.

3. Feel free to lynch not!wyrm. Don't wait for me if enough of you guys want to go ahead and kill one of you!
Posted June 14, 2019
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gogtrial34987: Btw, are you now saying that you consider it likely that blotunga is town (despite your earlier vote), and that if I'm scum, you're concluding that blotunga must be town?
If blotunga turns out to be scum, would that have any effect on what you think of me?
Not really because if you are Scum you would be smart enough to distance wouldn't you?

It's not like you've voted for Blotunga either.

Anyway if Blotunga isn't Town I think it's more likely he's the SK
Posted June 14, 2019
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supplementscene: Not really because if you are Scum you would be smart enough to distance wouldn't you?

It's not like you've voted for Blotunga either.

Anyway if Blotunga isn't Town I think it's more likely he's the SK
I wanted to be one when I was little. But ZFR's random didn't made me one. My wagon does seem to grow uncomfortably, as for why I'm still hanging on to flub? Because I don't really want gogtrial to hammer me if I vote for him :(
Posted June 14, 2019
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blotunga: I wanted to be one when I was little. But ZFR's random didn't made me one. My wagon does seem to grow uncomfortably, as for why I'm still hanging on to flub? Because I don't really want gogtrial to hammer me if I vote for him :(
If you believe me the player to be most likely to be scum and to be lynchable, then you're doing town a disservice by not voting for me. I'd strongly urge you to lay out your full case for why I'm scum (to help you convince others, and give everyone the ability to test your thinking), and to cast that vote.

If as a reaction I do swiftly hammer you (which is currently impossible, as you're not at L-1 from my count), then that will justly direct a lot of scrutiny my way, which would in that scenario be beneficial for town.

From my side, I only intend to vote you if through future posts I get convinced that you're more likely to be scum than scene (as a successful hit on scene would clear up more of the field from my PoV), or in the final hours before deadline if a scene lynch seems impossible and I'll have to settle for second best.
Posted June 14, 2019
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gogtrial34987: If you believe me the player to be most likely to be scum and to be lynchable, then you're doing town a disservice by not voting for me. I'd strongly urge you to lay out your full case for why I'm scum (to help you convince others, and give everyone the ability to test your thinking), and to cast that vote.

If as a reaction I do swiftly hammer you (which is currently impossible, as you're not at L-1 from my count), then that will justly direct a lot of scrutiny my way, which would in that scenario be beneficial for town.

From my side, I only intend to vote you if through future posts I get convinced that you're more likely to be scum than scene (as a successful hit on scene would clear up more of the field from my PoV), or in the final hours before deadline if a scene lynch seems impossible and I'll have to settle for second best.
That's the thing, you seem to have a fixation with me on one hand, now I don't know if it's legitimate (normal town for you) or not. I'm here defending myself again in front of the crowd at D1 for voting/unvoting scene. Does anyone have any proof that I did anything else not exactly town (though that I wouldn't consider scummy anyway as I was tapping in the dark).
Did I say anything that seems untruth? And really would a scum attract that much attention to himself on D1 (though maybe I would, and scene did last game so who knows).

I still think that flub's vote on me was uncalled for at that moment and feel that it had a wagon-building purpose. However nobody else seems to pick up on it. So there it is. I go down guns blazing if I must.
Posted June 14, 2019
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blotunga: Btw I'm also vanilla town Laura Roslin at your service, nice to meet you.
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supplementscene:

Are you 100% sure this is the exact phrasing in your pm?
My PM says Jack the Ripper, Vanilla Town.




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Posted June 14, 2019
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supplementscene: Not really because if you are Scum you would be smart enough to distance wouldn't you?

It's not like you've voted for Blotunga either.

Anyway if Blotunga isn't Town I think it's more likely he's the SK
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blotunga: I wanted to be one when I was little. But ZFR's random didn't made me one. My wagon does seem to grow uncomfortably, as for why I'm still hanging on to flub? Because I don't really want gogtrial to hammer me if I vote for him :(
GOGtrial is correct when he states if you are Town you should be highlighting potential Mafia players from your perspective.

You say Flub was opportunistically wagon building on your wagon but he was only vote 2 and you had made a few perculiar votes, unvotes and comments. Since then Dedoporno and Trent have got on your wagon. Do you believe they were wagon building or genuinely thought our their votes as Town?

It almost seems like you've given up at this stage though, which even if you get lynched you shouldn't if you are Town.
Posted June 14, 2019
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blotunga: That's the thing, you seem to have a fixation with me on one hand, now I don't know if it's legitimate (normal town for you) or not.
If you call the few posts I've directed your way a "fixation", you must have skipped half the thread where I was going back and forth with scene. *g*

As far as I recall (I didn't go back to check), I never even commented upon your vote/unvote when it happened (as plenty of other people were already doing so). I did ask you what you thought of their reactions (as you seemed to not open up very much), but let it rest after that.
My interest, however, was piqued by your #284, where after a long absence you didn't respond to any specific questions which were asked you, and displayed an attitude that to me feels anti-town.

Now, different people have different playstyles (ref: flub), but a (to me) first occurrence of such a playstyle deserves to be examined very closely for veracity.
Sadly, your responses to that examination seem lacking quite a bit.

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blotunga: Does anyone have any proof that I did anything else not exactly town
- Repeatedly ignored questions (preventing town from gaining information)
- claimed to be purposefully trying for a non-AI playstyle (preventing town from gaining information)
- claimed not to understand why you were being "singled out"
- followed up on that with a doozy of a question toward microfish (who does deserve attention! but you didn't put in the effort to put any real pressure on him)
- unnecessarily claimed at L-4 (you were at L-3 at #294, scene unvoted you in #295, and you claimed in #296.
Posted June 14, 2019
Vote Count

(When you see a vote count please quickly make sure your vote is against the correct player. Let me know if it's not)

scene 4 - Bookwyrm, gogtrial, GameRager, Pooka
blotunga 4 - JoeSapphire, flub, dedoporno, trent
trent 1 - agentcarr
JoeSapphire 1 - SirPrimalform
flub 1 - blotunga
gogtrial 1 - scene

Everyone else - 0
Not voting: Micro

13 players left. It takes 7 to lynch.
scene and blotunga are closest at L-3
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