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Hello everybody, I'm travelling today so I won't be around too much. I believe I'll have some sort of connectivity where I'm going but I won't have a whole lot of time for myself. I'll still try to at least pass by and check if there is something important happening. What I'm trying to say is that it's very likely I won't be able to shift my vote around a whole lot. I'm not opposed to vote scene if that's the only wagon that can be sealed but I'd rather not leave a dangling vote there if there is a chance something happens that needs me to remove it quickly. I'll leave my vote where it is now.
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supplementscene: A slow day today

1. Because Spot 4 on Wagon in the first 24 hours looks scummy and oportunistic

2. He's certain I'm fascist right, are we just letting fascists misslynch here?

And given the Gogtrial wagon isn't going anywhere and the Blotunga one looks too convenient

VOTES TRENT
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GameRager: BTW is trent the one in the lead for lynch/why did you vote for them? I ask to understand your reasons for voting for them and also because I think i'd rather we lynched someone rather than no one to at least get a chance at hitting scum today/tonight/etc.


Should I assume you haven't read the thread or skimread it? You're asking why I voted Trent after I explained my issues with Trent numerous times throughout the thread.

This points to 1 of 2 things. Either you're not investing in reading the thread as a town player or you don't need to read the thread because you already know everyones alignment.

Both of these make you very much lynchable because you could be fascist or if you are town and not reading then you aren't a town asset.
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agentcarr16: Post 123 he is urging scene to consider my RVS vote suspicious.
My intent wasn't "urging" (though I can see how you read it as such), but questioning why he didn't include you in the list of suspicious votes.

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agentcarr16: Post 74 he questions my RVS vote because he's voting seriously.

Post 187 he has decided that I am scum-buddies with scene because I RVS voted scene in order to leave the wagon that literally hadn't formed yet (!?!) but that I obviously knew would form... somehow?
From my PoV, my intent to vote scene (depending on the outcome of checking sources) should've already been pretty clear (from #64) when you placed your RVS vote. So when I saw you hopping on with an RVS vote just in the nick of time before I placed a second serious vote, I made certain you were fully caught up with the thread.

Of course I realize that my intentions are only clear to myself, and what seems obvious about my own line of reasoning to myself, might pass completely under the radar to others, so I'm not holding this too much against you - it just pinged me, and on a D1, that counts.


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PookaMustard:
I'm impressed by the effort, and don't see any mischaracterizations. If you went through all this effort as scum, you have my admiration.


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blotunga: I have stated previously that I'm trying to play in a way regardless of alignment that my playstile can't be nailed down as AI. I will do this in the future too, even if it gets me lynched this time, though I'd prefer not to (get lynched I mean).
I don't have enough eyebrows.
Since I missed it, could you point out where you previously stated that you're trying for a non-AI playstyle?
You don't hold to the belief that as a townie, you should help town win as a higher priority than helping yourself win in the long-term meta?
Imho, we should make it as hard as possible for scum to blend in, instead of deliberately giving them hiding spaces.

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blotunga: So far I see no reason to move to one of the other wagons, I'm still not convinced scene is scum, but might be willing to lynch him if nothing better comes up to avoid a no-lynch.
And if he gets lynched in such a way that your hands stay clean, all the better, eh? town-points for scene.

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blotunga: Also not sure why I'm being singled out for the last few pages, since I'm yet to see some meaningfull input from Microfish for example. @Microfish are you SK trying to stay low?
*places bulk order for extra eyebrows*

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blotunga: So, summary: would lynch flub (trying to create a wagon behind me, still wonder why), scene, and Pooka (almost forgot about him), he makes me feel try-hard.
I don't understand the expression "he makes me feel try-hard". (I'm aware of lots of English idiom, but this one is beyond me.) Please clarify?

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blotunga: I have little read on gogtrial, carr, joe and spf and almost none on micro and gamerager. @wyrm i would like also some thoughts from you.
Despite having "little" to "almost no" read on gogtrial, carr, joe, spf, micro and gamerager, could you give some indication on which of us fall on the scummier side and which fall on the townier side, and why?
Also, since you didn't list Bookwyrm here, does that mean you have more of a read on him? But then why do you still want thought from him?
And why don't you specify what those thoughts should be on? (Personally I've always been wondering what Bookwyrm thinks about the effect that "The Slow Regard of Silent Things" will have on the third volume of the Kingkiller Chronicles, and I'd love it if he expounds on this as an answer to your question, but somehow I don't think that that particular subject will help move the game forward by a whole lot.)

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blotunga: That's all folks for now, will check in later.
I'd appreciate it if you answer my questions from #261 when you do. Other people who have asked you questions will probably feel the same.


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Microfish_1: @blot, no; I'm town trying to figure everything out. There is noone I doubt enough to vote for yet.
At this point in time, that means you seem to prefer no-lynching over giving town information.
Mislyching on D1 is common, expected, and generally helpful to town, as we need information more than anything. Information about how people reason, what they're willing to commit to. You're deliberately withholding that from us.
A vote at this point is not "jumping the gun". We understand that your suspicion of everyone sits below the threshold where you'd vote for them on another day, but we're ~30 hours away from deadline, so pick whoever is at the top of your list, and vote!


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supplementscene: Because IIRC he misrepresented my position because:

1. Gogtrial asks Scene about Micros Mod Vote and why

2. Scene says 'actually whats more suspicious than Micros mod vote is his lack of participation because I know hes been active on Discord'

3. Gogtrial after reading this - 'what a double standard from Scene, he notes Trents mod vote but not Micros.'

That's the twisting of the truth that actually happened here. I don't see how Gogtrial gets that leap of logic without being Scum.
The "double standard" remark was rather strongly implied in step 1. You might notice that I asked about it in the same paragraph where I noted with interest how you pointed out the same on trent.

Here's how Pooka summarized it:
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PookaMustard: - gogtrial-123: gogtrial notes scene-90 and his observation of trent-18, asks him about microfish-89
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supplementscene: if you are town and not reading then you aren't a town asset.
Heh.
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Bookwyrm627:
What are your current thoughts on blotunga, Microfish and agentcarr?
Well I went to L2 and back to L3, do I claim now? Because I imagine Blotunga and Trent will hop back on my wagon quite soon and them I can be hammered at any time. I'm Squidge the Primape, a Vanilla Townie, so no great loss to the Town cause

It looks like I haven't made a good case for GOGtrial or Trent. GOGtrial is my number 1 pick and Trent& Blotunga joint second. GameRager not reading the thread is very suspect too.

SPF, Microfish, Agent need to commit to wagons. Blotunga I imagine is going to have to hop back on mine so I'm effectively L2 and L1 if Trent gets on mine.

VOTES BLOTUNGA The most timid play seems to be coming from Blotunga, Microfish and maybe Agent. SPF and Flub are as lurky as ever but nothing telling of alignment. I'd guess if there is an SK that it could be 1 of these
Since I haven't really shared many reads yet, here's a list:

Would vote:

* scene: all kinds of wrong; I think I see it being AI, but fewer of our back-and-forths have pointed that way than I'm entirely happy with. If it's all deliberate, he's stepped up his game.
* blotunga: I just don't know what to think about that vote/unvote, but his catching up post was all kinds of wrong. Overwhelmed scum?
* microfish: quiet; mostly suspicious as a trickle down effect from my suspicion of scene; additional suspicion for not being willing to commit to a vote
* agentcarr: really didn't like his RVS vote on scene as a serious wagon was starting up; still, mostly suspicious as a trickle down effect from my suspicion of scene
* Trent: feels unusually quiet
* flub: could have a red balloon?

Wouldn't vote:

* GameRager: probably off the table today due to effective newbieness, but needs to contribute way more, and raised some eyebrows. Good tonal comeback, though.
* Bookwyrm: town-lean*
* dedo: town-lean*
* Joe: town-lean*
* Pooka: town-lean*
* SPF: town-lean*

town-leans* in alphabetical order, with explicitly no comment made where they fall on the spectrum from very slight to strong; don't want to hand scum easy targetting for a NK tonight.
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gogtrial34987: Wall of text directed to me.
You want me to read people in the first day? Well, I don't have a lot yet. Some people I've played with seem similar to before: scene with his rather aggressive style, fixation on trent, trent his lurky self, pooka as I said seemed to try very hard to appear analytical, almost LAMIST imho.
It's not just meta, I'm honest about what I write when I'm town, so I won't try to sow chaos in that regard, but I do try to feel out things my way both when town and scum, which attracts a lot of attention apparently (I don't think there was a game where at least 30% didn't want to lynch me from day 1). Now I'm town, btw, haven't I already said that?

Words are words, actions are actions, my gut tells me that scene's wagon grew quickly for my comfort so at this moment you and GameRager are in the might be scum bucket, pooka's vibe is likely scum. Trent i think is in the might be town bucket. As for the rest, I'm still evaluating.
Vote Count

(When you see a vote count please quickly make sure your vote is against the correct player. Let me know if it's not)

scene 4 - Bookwyrm, gogtrial, GameRager, Pooka
blotunga 4 - JoeSapphire, flub, dedoporno, scene
trent 1 - agentcarr
JoeSapphire 1 - SirPrimalform
flub 1 - blotunga

Everyone else - 0
Not voting: Micro, trent

13 players left. It takes 7 to lynch.
scene and blotunga are closest at L-3
Gogtrial has just slipped big:

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blotunga: So far I see no reason to move to one of the other wagons, I'm still not convinced scene is scum, but might be willing to lynch him if nothing better comes up to avoid a no-lynch.
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gogtrial34987: And if he gets lynched in such a way that your hands stay clean, all the better, eh? town-points for scene.
You just called Blotunga 'Scene' when accusing him 'of looking town' when lynching me who you supposedly believe is Mafia? And you are voting for me and not Blotunga

Unvotes Botunga

VOTES GOGTRIAL
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gogtrial34987: but his catching up post was all kinds of wrong. Overwhelmed scum?
Now hold on a sec, why twist my words like that?
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supplementscene: SPF, Microfish, Agent need to commit to wagons. Blotunga I imagine is going to have to hop back on mine so I'm effectively L2 and L1 if Trent gets on mine.
Would he? Now that I mostly made up my mind? Btw I'm also vanilla town Laura Roslin at your service, nice to meet you.

I still have the feeling that your wagon is wrong, I know for sure mine is, but I'm willing to take one for the team if necessary.
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supplementscene: Gogtrial has just slipped big:

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gogtrial34987: And if he gets lynched in such a way that your hands stay clean, all the better, eh? town-points for scene.
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supplementscene: You just called Blotunga 'Scene' when accusing him 'of looking town' when lynching me who you supposedly believe is Mafia? And you are voting for me and not Blotunga
I'm giving you ("scene", exactly as I wrote) town-points for blotunga prevaricating about moving to your wagon, despite his own precarious position. He's giving himself an out to move to your wagon, but would prefer to stay off. The way I read that makes him more likely to be scum, and thus you less likely to be scum.

I find it likeliest that you are scum (~40% chance). Hence staying on your wagon for now.
I find it almost as likely that blotunga is scum (~35% chance).
I find it unlikely that you're both scum (~5% chance).
Before blotunga's post, I had the percentages as 45% you, 25% blotunga.

* percentages made up on the spot for illustration purposes; they are not statistically significant.
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blotunga: Btw I'm also vanilla town Laura Roslin at your service, nice to meet you.
OK I had to google this. My character is a Pokeman and yours is Battlestar Galactica

Can Town players, especially vanilla town players, google their characters and let us know if they are Pokeman or from other backgrounds please
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gogtrial34987: but his catching up post was all kinds of wrong. Overwhelmed scum?
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blotunga: Now hold on a sec, why twist my words like that?
This was my 'conclusion' post, in which I don't think I "twisted" any of your words.
I did liberally interpret your words in a negative light in my "wall of text" before that, so I'm guessing that that's what you're belatedly responding to? If so, I did this to see how you respond, since you're dodging the answering of actual questions.

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supplementscene: Can Town players, especially vanilla town players, google their characters and let us know if they are Pokeman or from other backgrounds please
"Could all vanilla town players please out themselves, so that us scum have easy picking for PRs?"

From the OP which you didn't read:
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ZFR: Names are just fluff. I only included them because it's nice to have names. A list of 13 names was made and randomized. So don't look for any alignment indication in names. They've been randomized. Randomized. Also, see note above about flavour.
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supplementscene: And given the Gogtrial wagon isn't going anywhere and the Blotunga one looks too convenient

VOTES TRENT
How do you mean 'too convenient'?


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supplementscene: Note I could easily have taken Blotunga to 3x and while I'm not completely opposed to this I'm trying to stick to my strongest feels and I'd prefer to go with Gogtrial
Did you mean to say gogtrial here?


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gogtrial34987: Joe: Is Bookwyrm your scum buddy?
I have none ;(

And I'm not a serial killer neither! I see what you're trying to do!!


Is there something that inclines you link bookwyrm and Joe?


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blotunga: Dedo's vote on me might be genuine, I have stated previously that I'm trying to play in a way regardless of alignment that my playstile can't be nailed down as AI. I will do this in the future too, even if it gets me lynched this time, though I'd prefer not to (get lynched I mean).
man oh man maybe I'm stupid but this gets me.


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blotunga: So, summary: would lynch flub (trying to create a wagon behind me, still wonder why), scene, and Pooka (almost forgot about him), he makes me feel try-hard. I don't remember him being so in the previous game, but might be just a change of playstyle.
however the bit I've highlighted here compels me. Pooka's been quite actively defending blotunga, which might be enough to weird someone out, but that's not what blotunga's picking up on.

Also, Pooka has always come across as sincere and dedicated in the games I've played with him, I don't see how a sense of 'try-hard' could be explained by a change in playstyle...

So it's looking to me like blotunga and pooka could be a team. Would pooka be so ballsy as to defend a fellow mafia as hard as he has been? Could be.

UGH it's just occurred to me that masons could exist. That makes much more sense for pooka but less sense for blotunga. Though the urge to distance from a mason buddy can happen... hm.


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gogtrial34987: Wall of text directed to me.
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blotunga: You want me to read people in the first day? Well, I don't have a lot yet. Some people I've played with seem similar to before: scene with his rather aggressive style, fixation on trent, trent his lurky self, pooka as I said seemed to try very hard to appear analytical, almost LAMIST imho.
Huh. And here you say that pooka's 'try-hard'ness is similar to before?


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blotunga: pooka's vibe is likely scum.
but despite that you think he's scum...


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blotunga: Btw I'm also vanilla town Laura Roslin at your service, nice to meet you.
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supplementscene:
I ammm the greaaaat Goginiii... I uuuuse my pooowerss offf claiiirvoyyyaance tooo seeee your naaaame...

yoooouu aaaare Squidge the Primape

'mIrighn?


Blotunga's unrequested-vanilla-claim eliminates my masons theory so I feel a bit more confident in my vote again.
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blotunga: Words are words, actions are actions, my gut tells me that scene's wagon grew quickly for my comfort so at this moment you and GameRager are in the might be scum bucket, pooka's vibe is likely scum. Trent i think is in the might be town bucket. As for the rest, I'm still evaluating.
Why is your vote still on Flub if you have Gogtrial and Gamerager in the likely Scum Bracket? Do you still think Flub is Scum? If Pooka is Scum is playing a sensational game, I mean he's playing a very strong game if Lib too but as Scum that would be impressive.

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supplementscene: Gogtrial has just slipped big:


You just called Blotunga 'Scene' when accusing him 'of looking town' when lynching me who you supposedly believe is Mafia? And you are voting for me and not Blotunga
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gogtrial34987: I'm giving you ("scene", exactly as I wrote) town-points for blotunga prevaricating about moving to your wagon, despite his own precarious position. He's giving himself an out to move to your wagon, but would prefer to stay off. The way I read that makes him more likely to be scum, and thus you less likely to be scum.

I find it likeliest that you are scum (~40% chance). Hence staying on your wagon for now.
I find it almost as likely that blotunga is scum (~35% chance).
I find it unlikely that you're both scum (~5% chance).
Before blotunga's post, I had the percentages as 45% you, 25% blotunga.

* percentages made up on the spot for illustration purposes; they are not statistically significant.
It did sound like you were calling Blotunga 'Town Points for Scene', almost as if you mixed up 2 Town players.

Perhaps Blotunga is Town and is reading me as Town and hence wouldn't have another option other than my wagon as no one has really

And like you say perhaps he is overly concerned about appearing not to be Scum as Scum.

Either are plausible.

Ofcourse you've given yourself a fantastic OUT for when I turn up Town and if Blotunga is Town you're already setting the grounds for a Day 2 MisLynch. You've also given an OUT for if and when both players turn up Town. 'Hey guys look I only thought they were Mafia like 40% and 35% - oh well what now'.

Also no reply to my accusation of misrepresentation

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gogtrial34987: * agentcarr: really didn't like his RVS vote on scene as a serious wagon was starting up; still, mostly suspicious as a trickle down effect from my suspicion of scene.
This is a strangely thought out accusation. The person 2nd on the wagon still perhaps voting randomly is more suspicious than the person at 3 and 4?

Also according to your own theorising Agent should have known what would be the result of you analysing prior games to see how my style compared to this game. You had actually unvoted me and Voted for Joe at the stage Agent voted for me

This is another example of you setting up your Day 2 and Day 3 lynches. Your targets are Me, Blotunga and Agent. Hey Scene was Town, this means Blotunga must be Mafia, oh wait Blotunga was Town too, Agent must be the Mafia player.