Rule 4. Please read it if you haven't already. Especially the second part.

No attacks against the person (as opposed to player), please.

Goes for everyone.

Check post 172 again...I also mention flub and scene are on my radar as well. :)

Is anyone else remembering Joe's comment last game about how one of ZFR, Joe, and whoever wasn't scum? :)

You'd have known if you'd read the setup. Statements like this combined with your insistence that only mafia would (should?) really pay attention to the setup make me wonder if you're aiming for some LAMIST.

In his prior game, he specifically started with slightly altered Tragic Brothers (or whatever the role pair is called), then randomized the setup afterward. I don't remember the exact details, and I'm not inclined to go look.

Why, why, and why? You've got some vague declarations with support that would be generous if labeled ephemeral.

Questions you didn't answer:

Why Flub?

What Bookwyrm actually said:
The "Yes" question to an "or" question can of course be read either way, and he does use the word "frustrating", but these thing do not equal to him saying that "it was mainly a frustration vote."

You have the order of things wrong. First (in #74), I say I skimmed your prior play, and then (in #78 and #96 SPF and Joe say they don't see you playing different from your regular town play.

What is this a response to?

Where did I state that you "slipped in them"?
You made bad assumptions about the setup, ignoring publicly available (mod-originated) information. You did so as both town and mafia, though more egregiously as mafia, and more importantly as town you tried to get clarification about the way the setup worked, while you didn't as mafia. I see the same behaviour in this game.

In game #57 I found both post #66 and post #102 good, strong, substansive and useful posts. You showed self-awareness and questioned people. Based on those posts, at that point, I would not have voted on you, as I'd have thought you a valuable contribution to the overall set of people trying to figure out the game. However, from memory about that game (this is not something I saw during my skim, as I only looked at your posts, and then only from the first several pages), these posts were also commented upon by several people, who wondered if it was a scum-tell, as it differed from your usual play.

I didn't read those games. I skimmed your posts from the first couple of pages of those games.

I really wish that mischaracterising things that were said previously would be AI for you; it would make all of this so much easier.

Honestly, if you're town, it wouldn't surprise me if your wagon was all-town. I can easily see scum just sitting back, predicting that you'll practically self-lynch.
(If you're scum, then I give high odds to agentcarr being your buddy, hopping on with an RVS vote in order to help slow down your wagon at a later point with some excuse.)

Re-read that post...I explain it with questions in reply to their post.

Boi. Did you at least read your own PM? Are you sure you are who you think you are?


Let me ask you something. Given that scene and you aren't exactly BFFs and his whole "thing", how much of your suspicion towards him do you think is biased? How certain are you that you aren't just finding scumminess (that's a real word, read a book!) only because you expect to find it in him? I'm not defending him, I just want to know how much you are sold on this and how much is based on personal feelings.


A Townie wouldn't want to be lynched but would sure want to get lunched. Free meal is the best meal.


I was about to bring that up after something Joe said in this game but then I forgot. Can't really remember what he said.

Where am I?!


This is the most annoying bit of all - the likeliness of this happening. I have PTSD from such things in the past...

Both of you just skip completely over my posts, don't you? :'(

Please reread the actual reasons for voting from Bookwyrm, me, and trent.
Would you still characterize our reasons for voting him as "finding it frustrating or weird that scene said some stuff that doesn't make sense"?

Hmm, how "common" is the belief that you can tell scum from their position on a wagon? I know scene's always on about it, and I've seen it come up maybe a handful of times since I started playing, but it just feels so out-there WIFOM and situational to me...
@agentcarr: Could you name any instances where you remember scum successfully being found due to looking at wagon positions?

Sadly asking to be lynched and giving an appearance of not enjoying the game at all are standard features for flub, regardless of alignment. Our antics appear to bore him, presumably due to them not being anticsy enough. He keeps coming back for more, though, so we must be better than the alternative!
(Also, he can at times be helpful in the end game.)

Truly?

Sounds good/thanks for the info. :)

Well then he's off my radar...for now anyways.

Why? No one should be off your radar just because someone else told you whatever. This is a game of lies and deception. Trust only your self-verified information fully.

This is starting to mildly annoy me as well. ZFR stated in the sign up thread and the OP of the game that the game is C9++ with no twists and a link to what C9++ is. We all miss things sometimes, I get it (I missed some stuff in the last game). When people point out what you've missed though, the least you can do is pay attention to that rather than plough on in wilful ignorance.
As many people have explained to you many times now, the setup is randomised. There might be a serial killer, but whether there is or isn't was decided by dice rolls.

I explained exactly this to you on the first bloody page.

You didn't say I slipped in either game but I did slip in different ways and you don't note this. Several Town and Mafia players felt I fucked up early in both games where I played as Mafia. It had nothing to do with game setup though. But as you said you skimread the games then perhaps if you are Town you didn't note that.

As I mentioned to another player I never read the OP, I may skim it, but generally I just get on and focus on what players are saying.

As for my wagon being all town.....well you would say that if you were Mafia wouldn't you? But I can see I certainly have made Town players suspicious because while I have had 5 players on my wagon, I've also had at least 2 other players suspicious of me. Which makes a total of 7 game players.

But I still think spots 3, 4, 5 on any Town wagon are highly irresistible for the mafia player