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HAPPY 4TH, ALL!

Always random.

ok, thanks. For sake of space, mind if I delete the two flags that messed up?

Go ahead.

Hey guys, thanks everyone for the warm wishes and happy 4th of July to everyone who celebrates it.

I'm catching up.

New page bug bump.

That's practically everyone else. Obviously the remaining scum has to be there from your perspective :D This is what I meant earlier when I said I just can't seem to click with some of the things you're posting. I'm extremely glad you shot Joe (sorry Joe, I still love you and carry your picture in my wallet on top of my kids' pictures) because I would have definitely had you instead of Pooka as the other scum if I didn't know you're Town.


That was a bit tongue-in-cheek but I was jokingly referring to a couple of times where you brought up others as sort of defense like "Why are you giving me hard time and not them / I'm writing more than them / etc.". I can't really recall names at the moment (I think I was one of your examples though) and don't really have time to go back and check right now but if you insist maybe I can do it in the afternoon. Still, it wasn't meant as some big argument against you, mostly a tease as such sort of things do remind me of that anecdote with my nephew.

I can't say I share all of Wyrm's views on you. I don't find you scummy as hell at all. Nor did I say in #1004 that I agree with how he sees you and with his arguments about you. He does make some good points but just like Gogtrial (well, not just like him as his POV is way different from mine but still) I can't see/feel some of the things Wyrm is seeing/feeling. So no, I wouldn't say it's entirely influenced by him. I said I agree with most of the things he points out and talks about in the game as a whole, not about you in particular.

In my eyes your just the logical choice based principle of elimination after looking at what happened so far with wagons, the suspicions and opinions I have formulated based on everything that has transpired in the game and the way I see some of the players.

I admit Wyrm's arguments are making me feel better about my own opinion but I wouldn't say it's formed because of him.

Gogtrial is giving me the slightest pause as he is (or at least was) so sure of you and not terribly long ago I also had you leaning Town but since then too much new information came out that just can't be ignored.

Finally, I just can't (kind of refuse to) believe Wyrm has fooled me like that.

As for your interactions with Wyrm - I know I have to try and be objective but my vision is likely somewhat tainted already and no matter how I look at things I always tend to end up with the same conclusions. It may be bias at this point although I hope it's not (is it if it turns out you are right?).


Something else of note: Flub has been sitting on L-2 for about 12 hours according to forum software. Although gogtrial and Wyrm aren't in the same timezone I still think they would have made use of this chance if they were the scum team so I'd say we can entirely discard this scenario once and for all.


We are slowly approaching the final stretch. I do prefer Flub but I won't put him at L-1 by myself. I agree with Gogtrial that this has to be unanimous.

Thank you!

1) That list purposely includes the other 5 players. :P
>> However, I do then narrow it down to the two I most suspect in the event that Flub is lunched and flips town.<<
I am glad I used my shot, I just wish I had targeted someone other than Joe.

3 players scum reading pooka makes me wonder, as at least one of them is telling the truth, and 2 of them influenced the 3rd (gogtrial). Is this scum hunting, townhunting, or bussing? Hum. Obviously scum!flub won't vote himself, scum!anybody's best bet would be to try to distract from flub if flub is scum.

Do you wish to be unmaninmouse (unwomaninmouse?) to the point that we skip lunch? because the only way we get more than a 2/3 majority is if scum busses. I'm not advocating haste, mind you, just a word of caution against over-caution.

@Dedo @Flub--both of you were in game 58; how do you compare/view end-game Book of #58 to end-game Book #59?

If Flub flips Town we'll know exactly who the scum team is as they will be laughing at us while clinking glasses victoriously.

I believe bussing is already happening as Pooka is also voting Flub. I assume this is some sort of last hurrah where he would be banking on some supposed Town cred gained from the flip and whatever options the night kill can set up for Tomorrow.

Skipping lynch is pointless. As Wyrm said earlier there isn't much else left to be uncovered. By this point people should have made their minds and figure out how they want to read any clues and information they have available to them. Leaving this for Tomorrow will make it easier for the scum to mislynch (Today they need 2 Townies to make the same wrong choice while Tomorrow one will be enough or if it's still 2 one one scum has to see the opportunity to hammer it for the win).

So yeah, I don't want no-lynch in any way or form, on the contrary. By unanimous I meant to say that we should agree what everyone wants to do as currently we are slowly but surely constraining the wagon to a particular choice. If I also put down my vote on flub right now that will more or less make it The wagon for Today just because it will take everyone else to switch to someone else.

I can't really say as I don't even have that good recollection of the game even though I played in it. I'm not even sure who half of the players were. I think I liked Wyrm initially to moderate extent, then he was concerning as I was unsure until he shot ZFR and things went on from there. But in his particular case I wouldn't make comparisons to previous games as he is a very good player in general and is perfectly capable to not stand out as inconsistent if that is his goal. My personal recommendation would be to look at him in this game and take out whatever you can from the current context. Flub (or others) may tell you otherwise so take this with a grain of salt.


Speaking of no-lynch: @ZFR, how much longer do we have to make up our minds?

Day will end 8 pm UTC.

Please explain to me again how we're CERTAIN there are two mafia remaining.

Never mind.

No hammer for me? Fine.

Vote Flub.