Almost 3AM here. I'll go to bed and think it over. It worked with ZFR.

Nope I can't buy it. This play by Ixam would be even riskier if he were neutral lyncher instead of mafia. He still expects to get counterclaimed, except as neutral lyncher if the votes don't fall his way his game ends. As mafia his partner(s) can still potentially win the game and he'd get the win too.

He might be neutral lyncher but not voting him because you think this play is inherently riskier as mafia than neutral lyncher can't be right. I do not agree with this at all.

That's slightly strange, and an interesting modding choice if true. But I have no idea why you would bring it up to lie about it either.

Not asking you to quote PMs, but can you elaborate on what you mean by "messed it up"?


The ONLY reason for P1na to fake claim here would be to save your bacon. So if P1na is fake claiming, you pretty much are 100% buddies.

That's not me saying I think that's what's happening - it hadn't been on my radar and I honestly don't have the brainpower to work through whether you+P1na does/doesn't make sense tonight (what little I can spare on too little sleep is going to P1na vs. Ix), but P1na is either town PC, or you are buddies.

Logically, there's no third option for P1na that makes any sense here.

And fwiw, you're down to 2 votes at the moment, and flub hasn't even appeared since the CC (and he's a safe bet to be not mafia), so...if you're town stop freaking out, at least for the night. ;)


On the one hand, I'd be personally pretty surprised if there's a lyncher in the game at all, but that's meta shit based on a conversation outside the game thread.

On the other hand, you are definitely missing the fact that Ix made his claim under some pressure (albeit under no votes, but not going in a good direction for him) and as lyncher might have gambled that was his only chance. Whether Ix is town/lyncher/maf, or acting rationally or irrationally, he was definitely acting in response to pressure.

So P1na's premise isn't as crazy as you're pushing.

Now, whether it's a wise VOTE from a town!P1na is another question, but your argument is flawed there.


That's all I can manage for tonight. I should be around at least a bit in the morning and <fingers crossed> hopefully more awake.

Yes I absolutely agree. But if I'm hoping my partner makes a fake claim this is not the one I would want or expect.

I'll admit that I don’t know Ixam’s playstyle. But for this plan to work as neutral lyncher he knows he’s not getting my vote and he shouldn’t be getting the PC’s vote either. So he needs to get 4 out of the 5 remaining players to vote for his lynch target. A pretty tall order. Or create enough chaos and confusion but still end up with me as the most voted player. Unless you’re considering some weird scenario where Ixam is neutral lyncher with me as his target, I’m scum, and P1na is PC but never investigated me as he said and somehow Ixam is able to convince everyone I’m scum but he’s not even though he lied about PC? So no I don’t think my argument is flawed. If this is what you think is going through Ixam’s head before he makes this play as neutral lyncher then either you don’t know Ixam very well either or his play is flawed. And I stand by this even if he turns up neutral lyncher.

Just woke up.

Will catch up later since I'm off to work.

Such unfoldings!

LOL I fucking hate and love you so much Flub. We are officially at that "Reservoir Dogs" point in the day. Everyone is standing in a circle pointing a gun at the other guy wondering what the fuck is going on.

Woah, thought I should check in before bed and it's all going on in here tonight!

Won't respond to individual posts as it's 04:25 at the time of writing.

Just want to say that P1na's claim is verified as far as I am concerned. I am indeed neutral, so if he was lying he'd either have to have made an extremely lucky guess or be very confident in his reads.

I'm 99.99% sure that P1na is telling the truth and that my vote is in the right place.

I hate deadlines...and I am traveling Saturday...<sigh>

@Lift - any possibility at getting an extension on the deadline?

@SPF - are you plain survivor or lyncher/survivor?

Wild theory...

What if both Ixam and SPF are neutral.
Ixam - lyncher
SPF - survivor

Ixam being a lyncher did occur to me after P1na CC'd. I agree with muddy that it would be a hard feet to pull off. But I'm not sure whether or not Ixam considers all those details.

If that is true then town would be:
P1na, bler, me and probably muddy

Which leaves agent and flub as the scum team. I could possibly see switching muddy and flub.
agent's vote before he left felt all sorts of yuck.

I don't think that is a very balanced setup. Definitely quite swingy. But right now, it makes so much sense in my head.


Whether my theory is off-base, my gut read is P1na is telling the truth. Need to check some things.

@Ixam - may as well ask, are you a lyncher/survivor?

No, I wouldn't like that. The point of a random deadline is, that it strikes at random. The Sword of Damocles effect. If I start to select the deadline myself depending on the game state or the wishes of one or several players, it can become biased and therefore unfair. At least in my perception. Like Two-Face and the Joker said: random chance is fair. ;-)

Hopefully I'm no longer double posting.

Thinking about it, I'm not voting for him because of pride. I said before that I normally vote whatever at first and then do a more thought out and strategic vote among the candidates raised by others. For once, I wanted raise my own. I don't feel the pressure, given how much time there was last Saturday; so I'll leave my vote where it is until after lunch. That's around 5PM my time. At that point, I'll switch my vote, probably to ixam if things stay the way they are.

I do see the point that voting for SPF may not exactly be the wisest choice for me. But I'm doing it anyway. I suppose if votes do switch to back me up on that wagon, it's extra info to figure stuff out tomorrow. If not, I just vote ixam anyway. The way I see it, there's no big loss either way.

I can see that and it sounds like fun!


Post #11 is quite clear stating "...The only unrevealed thing is, if there are any neutrals at all and if yes, which ones."

I made no attempt to sow confusion, simply making sure we are dealing with facts and sussing out which players "know" information.

Question for all:

What about working toward a three-way-lynch and let ZFR's RNG make the choice?? .............just sayin'

Lucky guess? Why leave out that he's scumbuddies with Muddy and copped you? He already mentioned that he "parity copped" you - maybe he just tacked on the parity. I still find that it makes ZERO sense that he supposedly had a "different" read on you Yesterday, and yet didn't vote to lynch you. He made up a reason to vote HSL.

I don't get why people don't see that as something a real town parity cop would never do.


No I'm not. Parity cop. But throwing votes around on four people who are "claimed" (me muddy spf p1na) is trouble.

Hmm, I thought there'd be more activity by now. Oh well, suits me as I overslept.

That's a horrible idea. 3 way random chance strikes me as worse than making an educated guess. At least with a double lynch you know what you're getting. As far as I'm concerned there's no need for a double lynch now, P1na's claim is pretty much verified (to me) by his knowledge about me.