Process of elimination...must be agent. I liked both agent and SPF yesterday. Agent first (269) and when he wasn't getting much attention from anyone else went to SPF(403). Only after ZFR had done a lot of vote switching (and a lot of other players started voting him (HSL (419), cristi (435), SPF (442))) did I switch my vote and hammer ZFR (463). So does an agent-muddy mafia team make sense over the last few Days?

Here's the initial post - it weirdly didn't embed in that quote (probably from me quoting muddy's own quote with a quote of his in it?)

In the world in which you are lynched and flip town parity cop AND I am neutral (a world only you seem to still be considering) I don't think I get the nightkill for two reasons.

1. Mafia wants to kill town not confirmed neutrals. If in this scenario I am neutral lyncher and my target is mafia that is actually better than if I was just neutral because if I lynch my target I effectively kill myself as well. But as I said mafia want to kill town because that is what wins the game for them, not neutrals.
2. Mafia knows that if you are lynched and flip town parity cop I will be everyone's #1 target the following Day. They don't have to worry about nightkilling me when everyone will do it for them the next Day.

Yeah, this is killing me. I guess I should have made the question earlier. And I can't deny laziness has had something to do with the decision I'm taking.

But I can answer that question I'm quoting: he's not taking that decision from a town perspective. The thing is I agree to his evaluation, and was playing along those lines. But I also know he's not playing town, and as such I'm going to do exactly the opposite of what he suggests. And I won't wait any longer mulling it over because, as Bler mention, it's best to leave as much time as I can for discussion.

Yup, I'm claiming parity cop too. I've investigated Bler, SPF and HSL, and the result was nobody was on the same team. Since HSL is kinda confirmed town, I know for a fact SPF isn't town. And, unless it just so happens that SPF is technically neutral and Bler is mafia, I feel that Bler has big chances of being town, but I can't 100% guarantee that.

I thought it would be best to keep a low profile till tomorrow, as I had a revealed townie to compare to on N3, but with a confirmed not-town advising for exactly that play, I changed my mind. I'm really sorry if this proves to be a dumb move, but it's the best one I think I should be making.

And once again, I would be lying if I didn't admit that not having to build a case up to frame SPF is a relief. Because it's killing me.

True, forgot about the vote. I do claim to know Ixam is lying, but also that SPF isn't town. So I'm not sure which I should vote for. I'd go for either, double would be my perfect solution.

BTW, I could write a lengthy piece about my feelings and motivations, but that's the only thing I've got that I can use to make anyone believe me. I really am no good with all these careful considerations.

Based on what you've said, SPF is an educated guess right now. If you are parity cop then you know Ixam is lying and barring some crazy Ixam as neutral lyncher with me as target theory I don't think you're going to get a more confirmed scum target than that.

Bullshit - and yet you haven't had a vote on me the entire day?

Scum is desperate. At least this almost sorta kinda confirms muddy as scum (with P1na as a teammate?) or maybe Pina1 is lyncher with me as a target and wants to make sure I get lynched with him as hammer to end the day. Looking to get one more vote on me now that he saw me go Lynch -2.

And,,,this is what I was waiting for. I was going through the possibilities of who could be PC if scum!Ixam. P1na was the only one that made sense. Unfortunately, it also fits if P1na is scum!muddy's buddy.

@P1na - why did you choose the players you did? Would love to hear those motivations.
BTW, if you are real deal, claiming was the right things to do.

I'll check back after the all the family stuff is done tonight.

So I went back over your voting to try and figure out if you're muddy scumbuddy or neutral. You're claiming that you parity copped bler and SPF and came back "different" ... and yet yesterday when you had a real legit chance of lynching a player you CLAIM to have known to have a 50% chance of being scum.... that you voted HSL??? Because you "didn't want a double lynch... and yet one of HSL's votes was HIS OWN NON-VOTE?

I mean I know you're full of it but if everyone else doesn't....

You and muddy both have consistently mentioned lynching SPF. I'm not touching SPF today. I don't want to do you either P1na because I have my muddy result and as soon as we start bouncing around votes between me, SPF, P1na and muddy (mass confusion) we risk doing what scum wants.

Well played sowing as much confusion as possible though P1na. Extra points for tossing in a fourth name to really throw everyone off as well. When votes are flying, no telling where they'll land :(

And today, you "know" SPF isn't town, you "know" I'm lying... and yet you hadn't cast a vote on either of us (and still aren't) until just now when you're suddenly the parity cop. Heh.

Interesting afternoon.

FWIW, if you are town, i think this is the right play however it shakes out, so don't sweat it. It's a team game, after all.

I would echo cristi's question about why, but I would say that - having been cop a whole bunch - this is what being town cop feels like for me. So emotionally, I buy it.

It also makes the earlier "intervention" conversation make a lot more sense.

For now at least /unvote

Glad to know I made the right choice then, but coming out the closet on the third day felt a bit rushed. Also, not sure if you mean the choices for the players I investigated or for how I played.

If you mean my investagation choices, there's of course no deep meaning. I messed up the N0 action so I chose bler mid D1, right after I decided (due to his advice) that he must be town, so I could use that as benchmark. Then I chose one of the players that I perceived as more experienced and I wouldn't be able to read normally, SPF. Could have been pretty much anyone, really. I thought of voting for him right then when there was a wagon choice between SPF and HSL, but by the time I even posted, ZFR was pointing out that you had switch your vote from SPF to Ixam and I didn't feel confident I could make a SPF wagon, nor was I confident on my hunch of Bler being town and SPF scum for not being in Bler's team. So I was rolling along, but then the voting got crazy at the very end, and I gave up.

I investigated HSL because I felt bad after he called me out and I wanted more info on it, but he turned out dead. Good thing was that him dead and confirmed town, while investigation saying he wasn't on SPF's team, made it easy to target SPF on day 3. Unfortunately, I couldn't come up with a reasonable excuse to vote for him, as this vote was meant to be a serious one. I procrastinated on that, ixam claimed, and I had no idea how to handle things and well, this is how it turned out.

I tried to fish around for info on how the cop should act, because I originally figured I should keep my head down and make sure I had another clean read to compare with HSL confirmed towniness. Honestly, I thought I was pushing my questioning even before I asked Bler right away, and SPF saying that the cop should keep quiet clinched it. I thought that me saying clearly I thought Bler was town and was convinced SPF wasn't would work as clues should I show up dead tomorrow morning.

The second night got me quite concerned about a night kill, because if people vote for me I can claim and leave my finding, my death will show my role and prove it was correct even if I do get lynched, helping the team on the long run. But if I got night killed, nothing would remain... I thought the value of my only investigation wasn't that big and I could take the risk on N2, but I couldn't on this one. In all honesty, I really don't like to have a power role. Too much pressure and responsability, I'd rather be a carefree townie whose loss won't be felt.

Now, I could go a bit more in depth on my reasons, but I think it's too meta. Too much stuff from outside the game and I think it's a bit of a downer for those still playing, so I'd rather write that on the dead thread. But as I don't expect to survive the night, I could make such a goodbye post right here tomorrow, if requested.

Still think you need to vote Ixam. Sort out bler and SPF tomorrow.

Really? Because I forgot to respond to Ixam (I was waiting to avoid a doble post), and I was about to vote SPF.

I wrote earlier how I could read a false claim, and it feels quite suicidal for mafia. Sure it might get you one townie killed, but in exchange of revealing yourself. Wouldn't do so myself. Now, if I was the neutral lyncher, I need only one shot and then I win. There's no downside to being revealed. So if I had to hazard a guess, that's what I think Ixam is.

Also, no offense, but I would take your advice more seriously if you weren't the lead suspect until I came out, and siding with you has been repeatedly been read as the two of us being scum buddies. So I'm going to stick with my original idea. I'll still switch tomorrow if need arises, I remain open to either of the two. But, for the time being,

vote SPF

Also, in regards to my previous goodbye post. No matter how I think about putting it, I can't help but think it would be pure emotional manipulation and too personal for the game. I don't want to go there, so I won't make it. I'd edit my previous post to delete it, but yeah, rules. So just disregard that part, please.

Whoa. Anyone else still think we're scum buddies? That would be one hell of an elaborate ruse. You can't make this stuff up.

@P1na

1. If you vote SPF you're splitting the vote and run the risk of getting me lynched. I assume you believe I'm town even if you don't believe Ixam's mafia?
2. If everyone collectively starts putting pressure on SPF and he claims neutral its too close to end of day to analyze the validity of the claim. We could end up lynching neutral anyways.
3. I think most players here (regardless of alignment) would tell you this isn't a good decision. Hell even Ixam said voting someone else is just going to cause chaos and be bad for town and I know he's full of it but I absolutely agree.

I need to think about Ixam as neutral lyncher a bit but I really don't think so.