I'll answer with a vote on you.

Vote muddysneakers

You sort of scare me with how you've been flying under the radar. And I've had a huge blind spot for you because every unbolded vote (unbolded hammer, nice!) or weird No Lynch or strange "Gosh golly I'm just new and confused" is starting to maybe make me think it's an act.

And I'll be honest, the way the numbers are lining up (there are A LOT of dead vanilla townies) I sort of am not sure if I should focus on "actual scum" hunting today. I sort of want to maybe start thinking about those nasty neutrals, ESPECIALLY the lyncher now that the numbers are dwindling.

And I think at this point, even if we "mislynch" when hunting a neutral, we still have a pretty damn good shot of getting scum.

I like everyone! Let's be friends.

If we hunt neutrals today and don't find mafia, we either lose due to if 3 mafia (barring some vengeful shenanigans) or are in mislynch and lose situation tomorrow if 2 mafia. Hunting neutral is a terrible idea right now and possibly game losing.

Any more experienced players want to weigh in on this? Also if this is true is this statement scummy as I think it is or just extremely misguided town?

Ixam, do you think I'm neutral or mafia here?

Feel I could get on board with you being neutral - but again I think if we start thinking of hunting neutral we could just as easily stumble on "true scum" (I say "true scum" because really deep down I just consider everyone not town scum - but for the sake of ease will call neutral neutral and witches "scum") playing "under the radar."

Like I said this initial read is more fear of your game so far - it's a nice "hiding" place. Wagon (or lack thereof) might lend credence to your being scum, or town and me just being way off base.

How do you square me flipping neutral, mafia getting a NK and possibly being at 3v3 tomorrow?

Yes, I see your point. Having said that, I'm not sure it's easy to specifically hunt one and not the other. All we can do is look out for suspicious behaviour, but if we get to a point where it seems like one person is scum and the other neutral then lynching the scum is definitely the way to go. I'm frankly surprised that anyone would suggest otherwise!

Hammering ZFR isn't exactly hiding... if anything sitting on HSL's wagon was more hiding and it's not like you've been super active in other ways. :P

I think as ZFR has shown it is far too easy to manipulate the votes to successfully get a double lynch town wants (and mafia doesn't want).

That depends on who wants a double lynch. ZFR didn't find much support for the idea yesterday, but if we're talking about a scumteam of 3 it might be worryingly easy for them to get a double lynch.

It made scene in my head. Let me try again. It is far too easy to manipulate the votes to prevent the double lynch. Basically I don't think you're going to get the double lynch unless its the double lynch mafia wants.

That makes a lot more sense.

I'm making what I consider to be a safe assumption based on the initial size of the game. Somewhere around 1/4 is pretty common, so it's safer to assume 3. 4 is impossible as the game would already be over and if there's 2 then that's good news.

When I hammered who?

Regarding the unbolded hammer. What is the purpose of it if its intentional, sowing chaos? Cristi can attest (depending on allignment) to the fact that I was online waiting out the timer to make the vote bold and responded to her immediately after she posted. There was no hiding there.

Total mis-quote - that was muddy's line about ZFR:

Then I responded "Is this what he showed when you hammered him"

That makes more sense. It's 1:20am here, my eyes are starting to skip lines so I should really go to bed.

I think you misunderstood me. See above.

Also if you successfully lynch me and I flip neutral, that is bad for town. Full stop.