Vote Ixam.

Oh, come on! Why so many new votes at the last minute! I don't have time to check the whole thing, I just wanted to spend a few minutes catching up before I leave the house. And with ZFR switching votes around, counting it is already a pain. I don't have the time to keep track of whether I end up double lynching if I switch my votes around now. So fuck it, I'll leave it where it is and we'll try to figure it out "tomorrow".

Just one comment that needs to be there, even if I'm late to the pub:

Hrm.

But "Town"!ZFR seems to be indiscriminately in favour of a double lynch.

Or at least it's very convenient that you think all of the wagons beside you are scum.

Nope. Not indiscriminately. Only SPF+Ixam, SPF+HSL or Ixam+HSL as I've said before.

No. I've stated my trio long before either Ixam or HSL (or you for that matter) were wagons.

Hmm.

Sooo, you're saying that the total number of votes on me is skewed because of my self-vote, that you expect me to vote elsewhere, then proceed to vote me. Effectively tying me with Ixamyakxim. Because you don't want a double lynch.

And promptly came ZFR, who does want a double lynch, and moves onto Ixamyakxim, breaking the tie, and putting him into the lead. Probably not paying enough attention, even though he scolded you for the same. And when he realised it, he hopped on his safe fall-back vote on SirPrimalform. And now the latter is reluctant to vote ZFR, even though bler144 has reaffirmed his vote, and ZFR's wagon's taking off. And instead has gotten into a back and forth with him. While both sit on Ixamyakxim at the time of this writing. I'm starting to wonder if either of the two really actually wants the other one lynched...

Unless, of course, the two of you (you and ZFR) want to argue that you expect(ed) me to leave my vote on myself. In which case, would you like to share with the rest of us why I'd (want to) do that?



Well then, I must admit that I'm disappointed, expected something of more actual substance, as you made it sound like you had really thought it out.

Putting aside my early wagon analysis, the rest just reads like broadly laid out standard post-lynch analysis based on flip, and I honestly fail to see how any of it uniquely applies to me as yielding the most information. Unless it's that early wagon analysis that makes all the difference for you. In which case, you should still prefer my lynch over ZFR's one.


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What do you mean with the bit I highlighted?


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Not sure I follow why flipping town makes it likely that my analysis was to some degree accurate. Couldn't I be completely off while flipping town?


A bump would be appreciated.

Ah so this is how it's going to play out huh? Vote hopping to get a double lynch? Don't know how I feel about that. I hope my read wasn't off on ZFR because I don't know if I like that play at all - *feels* far scummier. But I'm still not voting for you.

Is this accurate? I'm going back over it now but that's sort of a heh moment if accurate.

Why would I misrepresent/lie about something that everyone can easily verify?

I'm trying to get a couple of posts out, but very quickly - how do you mean "heh" in this instance?



Why Ixamyakxim over ZFR given what you've said? And I'm not sure if you're considering moving to ZFR or just intend to elaborate on your reads list if he gets enough votes.


First off, I've clarified that my early D1 vote on P1na wasn't entirely RVS, and over the course of the Day, my view on him didn't change. P1na made the same play in Lifthrasil's all-mafia game, which at least indicates that he's comfortable making this free flow joky-ish play as non-town. You may argue that we were all mafia in that setup, but he didn't know it up until he died, did he? So, contrary to you, I prefer to keep my eye on him.

Calling it an RVS one and saying that I "apparently" wanted my vote on him is misrepresenting the situation. More so coming from someone who also placed a single vote on D1, while framing it as either "leave it where it is or move onto the leading lynch wagon". I mean, somehow it's perfectly OK for you to have left your vote on agentcarr16 as otherwise you'd have hammered JoeSapphire, but me leaving mine on P1na when I didn't even want to lynch JoeSapphire is questionable?


The "no votes Today" (yet) has nothing to do with being The Reluctant Voter, it was a conscious decision, especially as we moved into Phase 2. I deliberately let my lack of voting turn into a self-vote, to see who, if anyone, would make a subtle or not so subtle attempt to take advantage of that, and for what reason. And I must say that I didn't come out empty-handed.


agentcarr16 begs to differ. Though I must say that I expected something of substance as his reasoning behind his claim that I've got contributed plenty of content, so much that lynching me would shed light on just about everyone and everything.

We also have to disagree on the "never play a card". I am playing my cards, just not in the expected way, and probably a lot more subtly than you'd like.

More to come, so perhaps you'll have a clearer picture a bit later Today.

What?? No. I was fully paying attention.

When P1na voted and put you in the lead, I voted Ixam to have a double-lynch (I didn't know whether you'd come back and Lift could end the day before you did). When agent removed his vote off you (putting Ixam in lead), I removed my vote off Ixam to tie you again.

I was fully paying attention and willfully voting for a double lynch.

Unfortunately you came back before Lift ended the day.

Uhhh...this is for real?

Sorry I'm just flying through - spousal aggro. Skimming through it looks like a lot to digest, but based on ZFR's doings I'm happy with my vote where it is.

In some regards, I don't think double wagons by itself is suspicious, but it's a really bad idea at this stage of phase 2. And he was hoping to lynch maf!HSL on a self-vote to boot?

Hopefully back in a few hours.

as opposed to when? If you want to go for a double lynch then last day of stage 2 is the only time you can go for it.

Vote ZFR

Trying to manipulate a double lynch that no one else seems to support is anti-town. The vote hopping creates unnecessary confusion.
@ZFR - the only double lynch I could see myself supporting is one that includes you. I'm not going to pursue double lynch unless others express their support.

Need to figure out where the vote count actually is.

@Hyper - hope that answers your question about my intent on potentially voting ZFR
btw I agree that I don't see the info that agent thinks your lynch will provide, but not looking down that trail now