Any particular reason you keep pushing Vitek to vote yet are not voting yourself?


I can’t agree with you on this. Voting based off of a PM is scummy, you are assuming to know exactly how the mod worded everyone’s PM’s and using that to vote someone that you didn’t find scummy before. It’s like you were just looking for a reason to vote supplementscene because you knew his lynch was inevitable.

Vote Mchack

...And now I can't unsee that. -.-

Last time someone was that obsessed with my vote were Lift and flub in previous game. ;-)


Is the mchack wagon based only on him jumping on scene so hard and fast D2 or is there more to it?

Vote Count

mchack - 4: xxxyakimxxx, flubbucket, trent, Bookwyrm
HypersomniacLive - 2: SPF, mchack

Not voting - 4: gogtrial, HSL, Joe, Vitek

10 players. 6 to lynch

For me it’s his reasoning behind the vote. It feels like he was just trying to find a reason to vote scene who he didn’t find scummy at all on Day 1. Only thing I can see for someone to want to find a reason to vote for someone else that they never found to be scummy before that turned out to be scum is a buddy bussing them.

Good afternoon Arstotzka!

Ok, at this point I'm skimming the thread and replying to things that jump out. Please ask me directly if there's something you'd like to bring to my attention.

Well let's see. Dedoporno is as dedo as a doad and Dessimu wasn't active in the game by that point so not those guys.

Trent, Vitek and mchack spring to mind, although mchack has the excuse that he was apparently away at EoD1 like I was so it's entirely possible he missed the entire discussion about the apparent quoting.

So Trent and Vitek are the other fence sitters who threw day one for us. When lynching scene at that point would have had two possible outcomes:
1. We lynch the doctor, preempting an inevitable modkill.
2. We lynch a liar who wouldn't have been modkilled.

I haven't pressed either yet.


Ok, so I'm just re-reading to get some specifics down and these posts of HSL's really jump out in the context of me suspecting him of being scene's buddy:

Sounds like coaching to get scene to claim while also setting himself up to go "Well I believe that claim, don't you?".

Again, more coaching. This was after the halfarsed "I'm a power role but I won't tell you which one" claim but before the "PM".

Even more coaching. Could just be sympathy for the newbie without knowing his alignment but it sounds a bit more like a frustrated "stop giving them reasons to lynch you!".
Very shortly after this (#346) HSL votes for me, perhaps a desparate attempt to get another wagon rolling (mchack started it but it didn't go anywhere from there). In the very next post scene votes for me (but forgets to bold it). Could have been taking the lead from his buddy or just jumping on whatever the latest wagon was.
Interestingly, the person to point out that he forgot to bold his vote is...

Again, could just be being nice to the newbie but the amount of direct attention paid by HSL in the light of me already suspecting him makes me almost certain I have my vote in the right place.

And finally here it's like HSL isn't even willing to entertain the possibility that Scene is lying. Apparently a modkill was so inevitable that it wasn't worth speculatively lynching him in case he wasn't modkilled (and therefore lying).

To answer these questions from HSL that I came across:

Yeah, they come across as a little sucky uppy. Like he was going "I agree with the confirmed town guy... that makes me look town, right?".

And I wasn't still there by that point, I had been away since post #314 as I had stated.


I wouldn't necessarily say it earns him scum points, but it certainly doesn't earn him townie points (from me at least). It's far to easy to imagine the scum strategy would involve bussing scene today so I don't think that kicking off the wagon counts for much. That's not to say he doesn't earn scum points for the other things I noted.

Wow, reading on this wagon on mchack is suddenly building quite fast. Oh, maybe not. The two votes in quick succession caught me eye, but it hasn't gone anywhere.

I guess that makes some sense, it's true that a number of people had expressed willingness to vote for me and I know the feeling of only having a couple of minutes to check things at work.

Believing a claim is one thing, but entirely discounting the possibility that it's a lie seems silly. No one should be so certain about a claim like (on day one at least) that that they're willing to risk scum getting away when the the accused is going to be modkilled anyway if telling the truth. But yes, how readily HSL believed scene definitely jumps out to me too. How are you checking the timing of the posts by the way? Is there a timestamp left in the page source or something?

I disagree, if you have a wiki, where all the pm are already out in the open, linked by the mod themselves and then someone obviously fake claims by writing their own version of it, instead of using the example provided by the mod, you should lynch them because of it. Lynch all Liars remember? You should not have to try and find a different reason for it.
But ok, let's agree to disagree.

Desperately looking for reasons to lynch scene right at the morning of D2 when noone else looked sideways at him yet and most people at the end of D1 said they tend to believe his claim? nope, that does not compute.
You were in a lot of games. Did you ever come across any game, were scum bussed a member on reasons not discussed before right out of the blue on a morning? And then got lynched for it next day? I don't think so either. It's just ludicrous.

I kind of took you out of the suspects I had, that were there at End of D1 and had time to compare pms and still unvoted or failed to vote scene, because I felt you were the most townie of the three. (the three being hsl, vitek and you) Maybe I was wrong. not really feeling it though. Anyway this is not the wagon to avenge Lift on. It's the other one you want for that. This one is the Mis-lynch train. But you can stay if that's what you truly want.

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I wouldn't have expected anything else from scum!you. But why wait on trent before you vote? Seat 3 to hot for you?

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zfr left some timestamps in his posts, that's all we can go by as far as I know.

D'oh, that makes sense. I was wondering where you were getting all the timing information from. :p

I had a rough dentist's appointment yesterday, which likely led me to lose the battle against the bug I had been fighting for the past week. Not feeling particularly in the mood or up to it, but I'm going to catch up as best I can, as to not fall even more behind.

I've done some thinking though, and will re-read a few things too, which will take me a while in the state I'm in.

Before I go to catch up, I'll briefly address the post I got a notification for:

Using a light tone to convey the message, a conscious and very carefully made choice after the drama we already had in this thread, doesn't mean that it wasn't a serious request to drop it.


Off to catch up.

I will always find it scummy behavior to vote on PM information. If you would have said “I don’t believe his claim” or “After his claim I went back over his posts and now I see why he was almost lynched on Day 1, he’s all over the place and feels like scum trying to latch onto anyone to lynch” I would have no issue with that, but you didn’t. You went with “based off of the OP sample PM and the PM listed on the wiki I think he’s lying”. You’re voting based on something that you should have no idea is true or not. There’s nothing to indicate you felt he was scummy before hand or he was even on your radar.

A light tone is one thing, but your posts come across as mock offence. Again, I haven't called you Clive before that vote and was unaware of it being a problem.
I also think that since Joe continued to call you Clive after you asked not to be (which I find it entirely plausible that he missed too), I find it a bit much for Trent to jump on me for simply messing around with capitalisation while writing out your full username.

I’did not see that Joe had continued to call Hyper Clive or I would have said something. And as I said I meant no disrespect toward you, I was just politely asking you to not do it again. I think the point has been made though all around and we should all just let the matter blow away in the wind like it never happened.

Definitely, now it's been made explicit I doubt there'll be any more problems. Don't worry I didn't take offence, I just wasn't sure why I was singled out. I also thought it was a pretty minor infraction considering the whole name was there.

Well at least you didn't change your avatar......or did you??