This is what I have time for so far. I've read through post 420, will be picking up with 421 when I have more time.

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At the end of Day 1, Dedo was actually one of my favorites for scum. He had the only real lynch candidate as lock town, but was doing nothing to move the lynch (and only some to derail it), apparently content if the Town Doctor bites it. So uh...thanks killer(s)? If you want to clear Vitek for me next...

Mchack, Post 407: I think Mchack is scum seriously overplaying his hand to push for a doctor lynch. No offense to Supplement, but lots of things add up to "He isn't competent enough to have faked that". Also, there is quite a bit of subtle role fishing in this; hopefully everyone else hasn't been playing the PM game while I've been away.

This bit really jumped out at me: "b) The pm didn't specify whether you can self-protect or not? NOPE wrong look at the c9++ document again.", because Supplement didn't say that, I did.

Vote Mchack

Gogtrial, Post 408: This leaves me feeling very not good about gogtrial being town.

(pronoun replaced with noun by me)
How short sighted of you, Lift. Spending the NK on someone who is unlikely to be protected, and in the process casting doubt on a doctor that was looking very, very lynchable indeed, would be an excellent scum play.

1) Confirmed Town Flub might be protected by the claimed doctor.
2) Claimed doctor is looking likely to end up dead even without spending a NK, and any other doctor(s) floating around might protect him anyway.
3) Killing Dedo removes one of the people that are almost certain NOT to help lynch Scene.

I'd expect you to be experienced enough to remember the sometimes-a-rule about a doctor being unable to target the same player repeatedly. So yes, revealing his previous target MIGHT have bearing on who he'll protect (and be unable to protect!) tonight.

uhm. NOPE?! let me just quote this:

As for him not competent enough to fake that? I'd have believed him if he faked that well. But he didn't. All the role pms are in the C9++ wiki. he should have just copy pasted from there. But he didn't.

Just hammer him, see his flip and then I expect an apology. He's no doctor. He's scum and you are trying to derail his lynch.

1) You know who was almost guaranteed to be not protected? Scene. Because it's in the setup that the Docter can't self-protect.
2) True, keeping someone around who will be a likely mislynch the next Day would be good scum play. And you're kind of contradicting yourself. If Scene looked so scummy that he was a sure mislynch, why would any other Doctor protect him? And you're ignoring one important detail, that throws the 'Scene is Town' theory out of the window.
3) What? Was that your impression? Is that why you selected Dedo as NK? I think after the way things went down, Dedo would have seen Scene as scummy today, just like anyone else.

The detail you choose to ignore is: Scene lied. Repeatedly. So he is scum. Consider, which one is more likely: that Scene lied to us (because he is scum) or that ZFR lied to Scene (which would be a Bastard move). Do you really see ZFR telling Scene 'You're on your last probation and you'll die if you doublepost' ... and then, when Scene does double post, ZFR goes 'April's Fools! Not going to modkill you after all! Let's see how you explain that!'

Yes, the last part was hyperbole and a made up conversation. But you see how ridiculous the assumption is that ZFR lied to Scene when he announced the 'last probation'. It is much more likely that Scene lied when he said that he did quote his entire PM (which he later contradicted anyhow) and that he lied when he said that he was on last probation.

So, why do you choose to ignore all this? Why do you try to defend Scene? That's a bad idea at this point. Even for scum. If Scene flips scum, as I am sure he will, you basically just exposed yourself as his scumbuddy ... but of course you will try to WIFOM that away, saying you would never have expose yourself in that fashion if you were scum. Right?

Please clarify? Right now you're giving yourself a lot of leeway for finding something scummy in that post at a later point. Was it a specific interaction with someone else in there, was it that I made a catch up post at all, was it something I left out, or what?

Not quite seeing how you could believe - or where you're going with - your scene defense either, but I don't immediately have anything to add beyond what Lift wrote.

Is that some kind of global conspiracy that every Day in any game starts either Saturday morning or Friday late afternoon?

hehe, you could break the cycle you know. if you hammer now we can start the new day on a Tuesday afternoon.
And you lynched scum. Win-Win :)

Typical Sunday slump.

I think for my next game I will start on Monday, have 5 days of playtime per Day and make the Night last for Saturday and Sunday.

Are you catching up on the rest today?

With your comment about Vitek I am guessing you suspect him of being scum, why?

Why does post 408 make you think Gogtrial is not town?

I'd like to see what people make of the end of day one, I'd like to give people a bit of a prod with how they're getting involved with the basically-guaranteed-lynch. I'd like yakim to get a chance to make waves. I'd like the ones blending into the background to get a bit of attention (bookwyrm springs to mind, is that fair?). I'd like whatever else might happen to happen, who knows?

Once I've caught up on today I'll be able to tell you more.


Are you dissatisfied with my involvement? I'm still catching up, but hopefully I'll be able to wow you with some stunning insight!

second-guessing the mod by saying (interpolated) 'if scene doesn't get modkilled he should be lynched' . Which assumes that, if ZFR did warn supplementscene not to double-post, and even if he said it was a final warning and he'd get modkilled for doing so, that ZFR would follow up on that action. We don't know whether ZFR would issue idol threats, we don't know if ZFR would look at the way the game was taking its course and decide to change his mind - I'm not trying to suggest that's what ZFR's doing, but to assume he wouldn't would be: (drumroll) second-guessing the mod.
Maybe trent doesn't see it as second-guessing, but I'm still surprised.


ah yes, I'd started writing responses to various things around that time, but they went out the window for some reason - I think looming deadline. Yeah, thanks for pointing it out - I'd forgotten vitek hadn't been with the game from the start, and misunderstood his 2-day comment for a complaint about short deadlines - which shocked me!!
So no, I don't think vitek was lying about that, but his unwillingness to make a move still stands out to me.

I disagree here. If ZFR had really told Scene that he was on his final warning and would be modkilled for even double posting, his hands would be tied (particularly since Scene made the threat public). Not following through with a (now) public threat like that would mess with the integrity of the game, I think it's safe to say that scene is lying.

Also, ain't nobody threatening my idol.

While I may not have necessarily read all the 'words', you can be sure I devoted my full attention to every single instance of double-post that was presented for me, and dearly cherished them in the bosom of my soul!



*timewarp where I skip to the end of thread as the chance that a lynch has happened suddenly becomes very apparent*

^ which is you second guessing the mod. That's how you would handle the situation, but you can't guarantee that's how ZFR sees it. I'd expect that sort of analysing-flavour, reading-into-mod's-decisions behaviour from you though ;p

again, I'm not saying ZFR's actions proves or doesn't prove anything. I'm certainly not saying supplementscene shouldn't be lynched. I brought it up with regards to trentonlf is all.

flubbucket - is there anything in posts 405 & 406 other than them being made within minutes of the start-of-day? I was ready to post at the start of day, because I was at work checking gog before I went home for the evening.

SirPrimalform, however: I'm pretty sure that the reason he was able to post so soon is that his network of mafiosos were on hot alert, monitoring ZFR's actions through there cctv network, and as soon as ZFR logged in to gog (or 'gogged in'), SirP was contacted through instant communication. I expect the message went something like 'THE DAY'S BEGUN, GO GO GO GET THE IMPORTANT INFORMATION OUT THERE THAT WILL CORRUPT TOWN'S UNDERSTANDING OF EVERYTHING.'


I've been asked what exactly I want to talk about this day: Well, what's been on my mind since the end of yesterday is a change in some attitudes since then: Deadoporno, clive, vitek and trentonlf were all around and pretty firm about not lynching supplmentscene. Of the four deadoporno is deadoporno, and clive is continuing in his usual manner - but trent is now all up on that wagon and vitek is being all "aw naww!! I'm so disappointed with how the day went last night this is sad for me as a strong, supportive member of the town" (interpolated).

So, yeah, I guess that.

Vitek - did you really think that a modkill would be delayed until after the deadline?
trentonlf - what was it that prevented you from hammering yesterday, that changed so you felt confident voting him on your first post of day two?

Also I agree with McHack, in that it's kind of pointless to prolong this day IF we're going to just engage with supplementscene. He's a definite lynch. I'm one of a few people who have said they're on board the wagon in everything-but-vote. I know he's very entertaining, but there doesn't need to be any defense made, or counter argument, so best to focus elsewhere for the time we have. (and not give away information about all y'all's roles. to satisfy mchack)
stink eye to SirP, trent, and flubbucket for being scene-focused.

I'm trying. I'm catching up when I have some time to sit, read, and actually think about what I'm reading. In spite of what the stories might say, a 5 year old is NOT conducive to analysis. As you probably know. ;)

I was considering Vitek with similar suspicions as Dedo at EOD1 for similar reasons; Vitek also was talking about Supplement as town, but doing nothing about the lynch. VItek is a little less suspicious since he had just recently replaced in, unlike Dedo being here from game start.

It was a general feel to the post. There isn't much in particular that I can point to.

Looks like the pressure's starting to get at you, but do try to keep your tone and manner you address other players in check.

With that out of the way - after seeing what you've been posting while I was away, and giving it a bit more thought, it looks to me like you're trying to draw out the actual Doctor and/or other Town PRs (and I don't have to squint much to see that you're not the only one subtly playing this game) while keeping the limelight away from your mafia-buddies.



Sorry to disappoint, but I didn't really pay attention to the timestamps when I first came on D2. Not sure if this is actually something AI, but if we went with it, I'd have to tentatively say these weren't w/w, v/w more likely with the second taking cover behind the first one. But again, not sure there's even this much to read into it.

What I did notice was SirPrimalform's phrasing in post #406, given his post #397, which was after the fact (i.e. D1 had ended). Like he was treading very carefully without ignoring the elephant in the room (how could he?), and waiting to see in what direction and how strong the wind blows before making a stance.


A bump would be appreciated.