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Posted September 19, 2018
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trentonlf: Actually I’m not sure. I know Lift’s been a SK before and he was lynched Day 1 and the game ended, but I would have to go back to see how he acted then. Although I think his game has improved since then so it might be a moot idea to do.
It has, so if it's a quite old game it's not going to help.

I'm asking because I think that as third-party it's easier to mimic your town play more naturally, and hence stick out less, if not be town-read - you don't have to worry about outing/being linked to any scum-buddies, you don't know anyone else's alignment but your own, you have to do some actual scum-hunting, and "aligning" with town is more beneficial, at lest in early game.



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dedoporno: [...] Put a gun to my head but I don't know what makes Wyrm a no-vote for you. Maybe it's because it's the middle of the night here and I'm tired as hell but I can't recall what might have made you think he's off limits.
Funny, I was just going over gogtrial3498's last posts again, and was about to ask him why Bookwyrm627 was off the menu. Hopefully he can shed some light before D1 ends.
Posted September 19, 2018
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SirPrimalform: No, I never said anyone could draw hard conclusions. But by setting up the assumption that two NKs means a SK, it naturally follows that one can point to a single night kill as being indicative of there being a vig.

Quoted again here for reference:

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PoppyAppletree: If we do have a Vigilante, then please, please don't shoot anyone on Night 1. As has been noted, 50% of C9++ setups feature a Serial Killer. As such, if two people die on Night 1, we're a going to think we have a Serial Killer on our hands. As such, a Vigilante should refrain from a Night 1 kill.
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SirPrimalform: This plan weights the conclusions people might draw from a second NK (or lack thereof), possibly in order to manipulate opinion tomorrow.
It also strikes me as somewhat redundant, as I think N1 would be a bit of a reckless point for a vig to start shooting people (but maybe that's just me).
All in all, the whole thing gives me bad marimbas.
I don't think it "naturally follows that one can point to a single night kill as being indicative of there being a vig."
not at all. That's what I meant with non sequitur. And you are the only one that keeps saying it would follow in any way.
It doesn't and Poppy never said it did. You say it naturally follows, so that's on you not Poppy.
bad marimbas indeed.
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Lifthrasil: Bookwyrm was quite lurky too but is present now and I want to read a bit more from him before I put him in some pile.
I'd be interested into which pile you eventually sorted him, before the day is out, once you've made up your mind.

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Lifthrasil: But since you like defending Poppy, perhaps you could explain what makes her so towny in your eyes.
-Her reaction to Trent for instance, both in recieving his vote in #88 "Nice to see you're consistent. :) " that it is the only vote she's concerned about in #96 (while also saying to you that if you truly believed hers to be an omgus vote you shouldn't be concerned about it the way you are), sticking to thinking trent town in her reads list #119 (which she made on his querie and no omgus in sight) and then taking heart in #128 when trent reconsiders his vote.
-Her push against you in #96 and #102 looks like mighty fine scumhunting to me.
-Generally when I ISO her, I get a feeling of Town which somehow doesn't work when I ISO you. I tried it.

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Lifthrasil: To me, all of that looks either like bad play or like scummy play. I still read her as scummy and I'm still saying we should either lynch her slot (Vitek) or Scene. Since lynching one will possibly tell us something about the other and I see a good chance that these two are a team.
Do you really think so? I don't see much telling us about Vitek when we lynch Scene or the other way around.
She found most of what scene said baffling #98 his vote on her (that she herself commented on in #122) is what a lot of people have as their main reason for voting scene in the first place, so what does lynching scene tell us about poppy/vitek?

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Lifthrasil: ... And maybe you're the third one? Was that why you tried to shift the attention away from both of them?

Perhaps your just a towny on the wrong track. But your LAMIST post still looks scummy. Even though you defend it by repeating to claim that you are town. But town should never knowingly propose a mislynch and IF you are town you do exactly that with

"And should you flip town, too then let me go on record that I should be lynched next."
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Lifthrasil: I think if you actually were town, you wouldn't feel the need to offer yourself as the next mis-lynch in the case of the proposed lynch being a mis-lynch. You would know that that would be bad for town. No, this statement really reeks of "Look at me! I am even willing to sacrifice myself! See how towny I am?!" In other words, it is a very scummy statement. All in all I hereby promote you from the 'better than nobody' slot to the third place in my personal 'probably scum' list.
not true. Scum have a much higher reason to not want to get lynched themselves just for being "wrong". They are less, they lose much easier from loosing one member than town does. So your argument that "if you were actually town, you wouldn't feel the need to offer yourself as the next mis-lynch" is wrong. it should read If you were scum, you wouldn't feel the need to offer yourself as the next lynch, since 2for1 is actually not too bad of a deal for town.

of course chain-mis-lynching is bad. I just felt that because of my saying we should lynch you lift and should you turn out town lynch vitek tomorrow is a good idea since I'm pretty sure one of you two is scum and I'm pretty sure it's you lift.
But I felt the need to add that if both of you turn out town I would feel the need to commit seppuku, since I'd die of shame anyway and to construe that as me being scum (who would never do that) is pretty next level. Sure I could be wrong about you, but let me ask you this:

If we lynch scene today and he flips town. Are you in favor of lynching poppy/vitek next? and if so and if they would flip town too, would you feel bad in anyway? would you offer yourself up?

(course not. I already feel the answer town never does that. blah blah ok ok. Well I'm town so I know for sure that town would make stupid arguments like that. Stupid people make stupid arguments :P

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ok new dogma:
I will concede that, I will not offer myself up for lynch this game, because I am town and I will fight my lynch with all I have.
I will also concede that chain lynching is bad and we should not in any way decide today who the lynch tomorrow should be.
I will furthermore concede that we should vote who we feel is scummiest. (Liftthrasil, SPf and bookwyrm? are my picks at the moment)
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Posted September 19, 2018
@scene: I'm sorry for not getting back to our conversation last night. I fully intended to, along with several other posts after the last one I replied to; was just working through the posts methodically, seeing what struck me as needing a reply. Was then interrupted by real life, and then time ran out.

@dedo and @HSL, Re: why not bookwyrm?: I did a final scan over the player list; like a "what do I remember from them" a la Joe, but then only mentally. I thought something like "has improved a lot with some very to the point comments lately". I remember him referencing post numbers, with me tracking them down and seeing things I hadn't noticed before.
If I now scan back over the last page, his actual contributions seem pretty thin, but that was not the feeling I was left with. (Did I partly conflate him with someone else? I really hope not!) For the record, all three names are only off the menu for today. None is solid enough for more than that. But my feel about them is (was?) such that I'd need to see solid argumentation and do rereading before feeling comfortable voting them, and that's just not gonna happen anymore today.

Okay, off again!
Posted September 19, 2018
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JoeSapphire: I see it! you put lift twice... Am I right? :p
Apparently.
I have not even noticed it until yo uspelled it out for me.
I think I meant to put SPF there.

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mchack: ok. I got cold feet and did a quick skim of your posts last game back when I was still alive in that game, because I was pretty sure you said something like that last game, but all I found was this:
Have a few town points for checking your own arguments.


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gogtrial34987: It wasn't intended as such. More on why I don't consider it town vs town below, but me going on from that first sentence to then talk only about the possibility of a Vitek lynch was purely because 1) I'm just not seeing a high probability of a Lift wagon taking off anymore, and 2) if it did anyway, I'd have no trouble voting for it, while I might with a Vitek wagon, on account of him only just having entered the game.
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Because I look at the Poppy-Lift arguments, and I can't honestly call either side "scummy", but the argument as a whole just feels off, particularly when reflecting upon it from some distance - less so when rereading the individual posts - and not representative of a town versus town argument. Like, it lacks... momentum? Depth? There was lots of hot air and bullets flying, but it's all superficial? No, that's not correct. I can't put my finger on it, but I do feel that there's something off and rotten.
Does that make sense?
No, I just don't think it should work this way and it certainly doesn't for me.
If I find something wrong in discussion, I try to find what is it and if it makes one of the sides scummy, which side it is and then lynch that side (or leave them if I find I found nothing wrong).
I certainly don't go saying that the discussion was simply wrong (or that just feels off) and don't go lynching anyone involved in it until I hit the correct target or run out of options and only then shrug and move on.
Sure, one can not be sure what makes something sound weird but it is up to them to figure out why, not to lynch anyone involved to get to the bottom of it.
To call the whole discussion superficial, lacking momentum and full of hot air but not to be sure who is scummy in it just isn't good basis for a lynch.

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gogtrial34987: Does your argument also hold if the possibility exists for the argument to be mafia versus SK?
I would like to believe I would figure out both sides have anti-town agenda and then lynch both but I have to be honest with myself and admit that I probably wouldn't be able to tell SK x mafia argument from other ones as non-involved person.
The thing is, it shouldn't sound much different from any other. SK shouldn't know they are dealing with mafia and mafia that they are not trying to mislynch townie so they would most likely act the same way as dealing with anyone else so I don't know how it would differ from any other.

It gives another outing in this argument, doesn't it? I again don't have to figure out who is scummy as I feel both are therefore I am fine with lynching any of them.


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supplementscene: I'm writing this after replying to these individuals but Gogtrial seems to have re-read and reposted in this thread yet has completely ignored my reply to him where I suspected him of being scum. Why no analysis there Gogtrial???
Hello, pot, how is it going?
Posted September 19, 2018
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mchack: oh well it's D1 and we gotta lynch someone. My money is on Lift. (figuratively speaking. I'm not betting since it's not allowed (Should be good odds though if I were. like 30:0.5))
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JoeSapphire: Is that money on Lift being scum, or money on Lift to get lynched?
Lift being scum. again. he plays exactly like the last two (scum)games, as far as I can tell. You know random.org does have pretty good RNG ...

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supplementscene: I think there potentially could be 4 Scum players on my Wagon...
just to save this quote. it's golden :)
*note for future readers. scene has four people voting him at the time*

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mchack: [...] Clive : at the risk of gaining his wrath, I think I'd like to adobt Joes recommendation for the new nickname of the reluctant voter: Clive :D I love it. [...]
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HypersomniacLive: Have a face full o' me boot ye jelly boned thumb suckin' crud bucket!

You sure got the wrath part right.

But JoeSapphire isn't the first one giving me this nick, he's not even the second one; credit goes to bler144 who first came up with it a long time ago. Wanna guess why it didn't stick?
hehe, you've got some pretty impressive pirate cursing skills. I assume you killed everyone that called you Clive?
How about cLive? no?
seriously though, if it annoys you that much I'll not use it again. (I'll need to change my votecount for that though... :P)

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mchack: [...] supplementscene : [...] make me think he's just out to vote and lynch anyone. [...]
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HypersomniacLive: It looks more like he's out to vote and lynch anyone that takes even a side look at him. He's done that in his previous games, which doesn't necessarily mean that he wouldn't use it as a baddy. But him self-preserving is expected regardless of alignment, imo.
true. it was just the two early sentences of him I quoted, that made me think this. (him being out to lynch anyone.
But his voting behaviour hasn't been one of wagon hopping. He started out with Dessimu for lurking, went over to Poppy after a long time and thought (see #107 for his readslist just before voting in #121) for whoknows? and then went over to lift 115 posts later for misrepresentation? idk.
Anyway as for your question, I do agree that he's not going after any lynch, although he is suspecting most anyone especially everyone that comes near him.

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mchack: [...] bookwyrm : trying to look scummy for going after flub but not in earnest like spf seems to. in #162 says "seeing hints of TMI" ... What's TMI?

would vote for. [...]
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HypersomniacLive: What makes you think he was trying to look scummy?
only his "schmuck baiting" but I saw he wasn't serious. So nothing more to it. *shrug*
as for why I still have him as likely scum? it's a condition I have I think...
If I may I want to take that backand ebwop my post to:
My current scumpicks are: Lift, SPf, ? (could be anyone of bookwyrm, dedo, dessimu or scene) the last one is quite unlikely though, since we'll probably see him lynched in a few hours anyway (L2 and only a few hours till deadline) and scum won't let itself be lynched that easy I think. We'll see...
Posted September 19, 2018
I am looking at scene and while there is plenty of wrong there, it is still kind of in check with his previous self. Then, I have no comparison to make with your scum game so it doesn't really tell us much.

The truth is that he mostly don't have his own reads and go with whatever (almost anything) other people push
Scene's reads are all over the place and consist of who has most votes, then scum are the lurkers or now it is everybody voting him.
Overall it's everyone who targets him but I suppose it was the same last time?


@Supplement, do you still find Joe scummy and if you do can you explain why?


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supplementscene: Last game I made several mistakes such as focusing too much on lurkers but I don't think I ever actually voted for Sage....
You did vote her.
I even questioned you about it and then misremembered it and you used it as part of your case, so it should be familiar to you.

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supplementscene: Poppy - ...Hinted at 'seeing something' with HSL and then seemingly backed away from it. ...
Can you direct me to what is supposed to refer to?

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supplementscene: Joe voted me on the first page randomly, yet he's still on my wagon now. Why? Although if anything maybe he's the none Scum player as targeting a busier player.
This sure is interesting observation.
Posted September 19, 2018
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mchack: Scum have a much higher reason to not want to get lynched themselves just for being "wrong". They are less, they lose much easier from loosing one member than town does. So your argument that "if you were actually town, you wouldn't feel the need to offer yourself as the next mis-lynch" is wrong. it should read If you were scum, you wouldn't feel the need to offer yourself as the next lynch, since 2for1 is actually not too bad of a deal for town.
White or red? Rosé perhaps?

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mchack: My current scumpicks are: Lift, SPf, ? (could be anyone of bookwyrm, dedo, dessimu or scene) the last one is quite unlikely though, since we'll probably see him lynched in a few hours anyway (L2 and only a few hours till deadline) and scum won't let itself be lynched that easy I think. We'll see...
Am I reading this correctly? You doubt scene is scum as he is letting himself be lynched way too easy, therefore he's town?
Posted September 19, 2018
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trentonlf: I’ve always wondered, is that another way of saying the mile high club? Or is it having sex while stoned?
The mile high club is awkward. There really isn't a lot of space in airplane toilets...

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supplementscene: Right but in my analysis a few posts prior to that I made it clear my choice was between 3 posters stating why and my change of vote was always going to be between you and Poppy.
After initially town-reading her for being so helpful. Then you took a snide remark by flubb as an actual role-claim from Poppy (which is weird) and built your case from there.

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supplementscene: Would you have voted for me if there wasn't already a 3 long wagon?
Yes, I would. Check Post 155. You were my second choice for scum with a possibility of being a team with Poppy with some distancing. Or of being scum who buddied up to Poppy before switching to wanting to lynch her when the buddying didn't work.


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supplementscene: Also why did you not follow up Decimu saying "Hello Scums" on Post 47: 'Are you greeting your buddies with this, for some reason?'. Distancing and telling off at the same time while then ignoring it never happened? Maybe.
Because that sentence was from RVS and sounded jokingly. Noteworthy? Yes. But not enough to build a case out of it without further interaction and observation. Which fell flat because Dessimu dropped out due to RL issues. Would you really lynch Dessimu over one strange sentence in the very first post?

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Lifthrasil: [...] Vitek didn't exactly do much to dispell the scummy impression that Poppy left. [...]
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HypersomniacLive: What did you expect Vitek to do? What action(s) from him would make you reconsider?
Basically contributing, analyzing and making genuine sounding cases. He's in the process of doing that and in the end it boils down to feeling. Especially on D1. TBH he is in a difficult position taking over from someone I saw (and still see) as scummy, since the slot retains the alignment. But analyzed as himself without the Poppy-connection I would put him as neutral right now.

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Lifthrasil: [...] - the fact that she would have liked to lynch the only confirmed towny for personal reasons? [...]
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HypersomniacLive: You should know better not to use this to read into her alignment.
Exactly my point.

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Lifthrasil: 4 scum players who are on your wagon in a coordinated fashion in a game which has a maximal scum faction size of 3... yea, right. [...]
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HypersomniacLive: Heh. While it's unlikely four scum players are on his wagon, I do like how you leave out the possible SK in your argument, and speak only of the scum faction of mafia...
I bolded the relevant part. There is no way regular scum and an SK could coordinate to commonly dispose of Scene. The assumption "All scum including the SK are on my wagon" is either a serious case of paranoia or bogus. I guess it's the latter. It's just OMGUS taken to the next level.

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trentonlf: Actually I’m not sure. I know Lift’s been a SK before and he was lynched Day 1 and the game ended, but I would have to go back to see how he acted then. Although I think his game has improved since then so it might be a moot idea to do.
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dedoporno: He acted suspicious AF back then at least from my point of view - if I remember correctly his character was related to mine in some way and some sort of discussion based on that came up that made me doubt him massively. I can't recall actual details though and won't be going back to check.
We had different information about our characters. The mod had told me that we are related and had forgotten to tell you about it. So when I made a reference of you being my (step)son or something, you thought I were lying. And things devolved from there, because I thought you were intentionally trying to discredit me and got all defensive/aggressive. None of my finer moments. I didn't even know that there was no regular scum and that I was supposed to be the one who committed the N0 murder. So it became a very short game.


... to be continued (mchack, I'll come to you in the next post)
Posted September 19, 2018
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Vitek: I am looking at scene and while there is plenty of wrong there, it is still kind of in check with his previous self. Then, I have no comparison to make with your scum game so it doesn't really tell us much. [...]
That's where I'm mostly are as well, plus both the leading wagon and the counter one are more often than not both town on D1. Observing his previous games, I thought "that play-style... if he rolls scum in his second or third game, he'd have to change very little to make it through the first couple of days". Plus, I'm not sure we can afford to see if and when the slot's going to self-resolve. With all that in mind, I'm ok with a vote here.

Do you have an alternative suggestion? It seems to me that a viable alternative wagon wasn't in sight for a couple of days already.


I noticed SirPrimalform's light going on a couple of times last night when I was on, but he didn't partake, or at least answer any of the questions he was asked. Didn't like that. But since he hasn't (yet?) answered, I'll add one that I fell victim of copy/paste/edit yesterday:

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SirPrimalform: [...] but I would support the scene-wagon. [...]
Back in your post #163 you had no read on supplementscene. Did that change in the meantime, or is your support of the wagon just to avoid No-Lynch?

Also, in that same post (#163), you called Lifthrasil's play "scummy-glockenspiel". Since you didn't mention him in your posts #227, did that also change, and if so, why?


Bump, please.
Posted September 19, 2018
Puppies
Posted September 19, 2018
Bump

D1 will end 6 pm CEST (4 pm UCT)
Post edited September 19, 2018 by ZFR
Posted September 19, 2018
My bump was bumpier.
Posted September 19, 2018
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Lifthrasil: Bookwyrm was quite lurky too but is present now and I want to read a bit more from him before I put him in some pile.
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mchack: I'd be interested into which pile you eventually sorted him, before the day is out, once you've made up your mind.
There's still not that much to analyze and I don't get a town feeling from Bookwyrm. So he goes in the 'better him than nobody' pile. But that's a moot point, since we have much better targets available. Scene, Vitek and you.

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mchack: -Generally when I ISO her, I get a feeling of Town which somehow doesn't work when I ISO you. I tried it.
I don't believe you did. Otherwise you probably would see where my suspicion of Poppy came from. I rather assume you tried to see me as scummy. Which may be an unconscious bias (if you're town) or a concisus one, if you are scum.

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mchack: not true. Scum have a much higher reason to not want to get lynched themselves just for being "wrong".
Yes, scum have a vested interest not to get lynched. But they are also the ones who have to try to appear towny. Actual town don't have to pretend. So a pre-emptive statement like 'lynch me if I'm wrong' is a clear case of LAMIST. It's an easy statement to make too, since you always can go 'of course I am willing to sacrifice myself for The Greater Good, but it would be another mis-lynch' on the next day. So what is telling in this case is, that you felt the need to make such a LAMIST statement at all. Not whether you actually are willing to get lynched.

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mchack: If we lynch scene today and he flips town. Are you in favor of lynching poppy/vitek next? and if so and if they would flip town too, would you feel bad in anyway? would you offer yourself up?
No and no. If Scene flips town, that doesn't tell us anything about Vitek. It's the other way round: if Scene flips scum, we should take another very intense look at Vitek since I still see the possibility that Scene's initial behaviour was support for a scum-buddy. Before feeling the need to distance himself. But it's also possible that Scum-Scene buddied up to town-Poppy, before realizing that that didn't work. However, town-Scene would have no information whatsoever about Vitek's alignment and Poppy didn't push Scene especially hard. So there is no correlation in that direction.
And no, I would not offer myself up as the next mis-lynch out of 'shame'. Sure, it would be annoying to have been wrong about Scene. But those among us who don't have any concrete information about other player's alignment, can only do their best to analyze behaviour. And right now Scene looks scummiest. So I think he is our best bet.

By the way, I think I'll have to switch mchack's and Vitek's position in my scum-list too. The remaining votes on Vitek's wagon just look a bit strange. There is Dessimu, which is basically a dead vote by now. Then there is Bookwyrm, a vote without much reasoning behind it and SPF with weak reasoning. Maybe I was wrong about Poppy and maybe that wagon was just convenient at the time ...

@SirPrim: what are your thoughts about Vitek now? Anything beyond Poppy's Vig-instructions?

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Bookwyrm627: My vote is legit and occurred when I finished catching up on the thread. Some of the reasoning behind my vote is not appropriate to reveal right now, but will be available at a later point in time.
Don't you think that later point in time should be now? Deadline is closing in and if you have reason to assume that lynching Vitek is better for town that lynching Scene, then you should speak up now!
Posted September 19, 2018
I'd like to have a right of reply before getting hammered if possible

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Vitek: I am looking at scene and while there is plenty of wrong there, it is still kind of in check with his previous self. Then, I have no comparison to make with your scum game so it doesn't really tell us much.

The truth is that he mostly don't have his own reads and go with whatever (almost anything) other people push
Scene's reads are all over the place and consist of who has most votes, then scum are the lurkers or now it is everybody voting him.
Overall it's everyone who targets him but I suppose it was the same last time?

@Supplement, do you still find Joe scummy and if you do can you explain why?

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supplementscene: Last game I made several mistakes such as focusing too much on lurkers but I don't think I ever actually voted for Sage....
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Vitek: You did vote her.
I even questioned you about it and then misremembered it and you used it as part of your case, so it should be familiar to you.

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supplementscene: Poppy - ...Hinted at 'seeing something' with HSL and then seemingly backed away from it. ...
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Vitek: Can you direct me to what is supposed to refer to?

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supplementscene: Joe voted me on the first page randomly, yet he's still on my wagon now. Why? Although if anything maybe he's the none Scum player as targeting a busier player.
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Vitek: This sure is interesting observation.
Ahhh making me re-read. Let's go and analyse Joe because he's been so lurky (or busy) I've almost not noticed him. Right he has some analysis and it's not very detailed or good. He doesn't attack any players aggressively, or put in much detail and he seems like he wants friends. He hasn't changed his vote or explained why he hasn't changed his vote. So if I'm scummy for not explaining enough (even though I did a post before and Lift/Trent twisted it) he's also scummy surely?

So yes I think he could be Scum and would be happy to lynch him. Haven't played with him before to know his town or scum style. Wouldn't be against lynching. Him, Dedo, SPF have all been very lurky. But SPF seems similar to his last game we played. Little analysis from SPF but he didn't as town either. Dedo was lurky in Secret Hitler and was scum but is this any different to his Town play? I don't know.

As for Poppy 'seeing something'. It was on page 2 and on my last re-read I found it was that HypersomniacLive never votes early and he voted early. She didn't explain it to me when I asked her though for whatever reason.

And wait a minute, you're accusing me of only jumping on wagons and following others criticisms. What about Lift? I think I was the first to state he could be Scum. I'm surprised more people aren't on that wagon. Because to me it seems likely either he or you are Scum unless its town on town violence. I'm also the first to suspect Gogtrial of being Scum if you re-read. I was also first to go after Dessimu and push him on his 'hello scums'. Oh yes and I'm the first to point the finger at Joe too. And the analysis for all of those should stick to scrutiny. I've actually attacked more players than any other player. Would Scum risk doing that?

As for you, I wonder if Poppy's attack on Flub was LAMIST because no Scum would attack a confirmed townee......or would they as a double bluff?
Posted September 19, 2018
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mchack: [...] it should read If you were scum, you wouldn't feel the need to offer yourself as the next lynch, since 2for1 is actually not too bad of a deal for town. [...]
If you're the third mislynch in a row, it may well put us into MYLO in D3, if I run my scenarios correctly. Did you think about that?


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mchack: Lift being scum. again. he plays exactly like the last two (scum)games, as far as I can tell. [...]
Does he? I don't quite get the same vibe.


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mchack: [...] My current scumpicks are: Lift, SPf, ? (could be anyone of bookwyrm, dedo, dessimu or scene) the last one is quite unlikely though, since we'll probably see him lynched in a few hours anyway (L2 and only a few hours till deadline) and scum won't let itself be lynched that easy I think. We'll see...
Do you think that supplementscene hasn't tried to fight against his lynch, or that he's not succeeded to sway people's opinions?


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mchack: [...] hehe, you've got some pretty impressive pirate cursing skills. I assume you killed everyone that called you Clive? [...]
Ye got that starboard, ye lard brained screechy gobshyte!


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mchack: [...] How about cLive? no?
seriously though, if it annoys you that much I'll not use it again. (I'll need to change my votecount for that though... :P) [...]
The back O' me hand to yer snivelin' mouth ye syphilitic puppy killin' slimey bastitch!

Savvy?



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Lifthrasil: [...] Exactly my point. [...]
I don't think we're making the same point.


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Lifthrasil: [...] I bolded the relevant part. There is no way regular scum and an SK could coordinate to commonly dispose of Scene. The assumption "All scum including the SK are on my wagon" is either a serious case of paranoia or bogus. I guess it's the latter. It's just OMGUS taken to the next level. [...]
I already said his argument has no merit. I'm just pointing out the way you chose to frame yours as I don't think that distinction wasn't necessary to refute his claim - both the SK and the mafia vote opportunistic, and it's in both of their interests to thin out the town pool; no coordination is needed for them to mislynch a townie.
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