Nothing else you'd like to address?
I see.

I think I explained why I voted SPF when I did so. The way how he attacked Vitek seemed scummy at the time and some of his reactions too. Why did you vote SPF? If you are trying to make a case out of that, you should answer that too.

As for you not answering Vitek's questions because he is scum, that's nonsense. Discussions and interactions reveal more than mere accusations. So if you really want to show that Vitek is scum, keep him talking and that means answering his questions. Which also means that others can analyze your questions and thereby refine their opinion of you. But perhaps proving that Vitek is scum isn't really your goal? Perhaps you are just making an intentionally weak attack on him to show that you two are not scumbuddies? Is this just an elaborate attempt at distancing?

And you attacking trent now really isn't helping anyone. Trent can't be regular scum. Otherwise this game would already be over. Think about it. I'm sure you'll see the reason why I say that. Sure, Hunter constructed a scenario how trent could still be a Traitor, theoretically, but that's a really convoluted scenario with not much credibility. As Hunter himself stated too. So why are you attacking trent now?


@trent: to answer your question, the only one where I am reasonably sure that he's town is you. Hunter is also towny enough that I won't be lynching him. I know, I speculated a few posts back that he might be Vitek's scumbuddy, but the exchange with Hunter felt like a towny doing an honest analysis. So I'm taking him of my scum list.

At the top of my scum list is Vitek and I'm only not voting for him because that would put him at L-1. And that's too risky, even though most likely, if Vitek really is town, both scum are already on his wagon. But may main theory is Vitek is scum and one of flubbucket or scene are his partner, who is just on the wagon for distancing purposes.

The question I'm entertaining now is: should I put Vitek at L-1 nonetheless? You won't quickhammer, or will you? And if my town-read on Hunter is right, he won't quickhammer either but wait a while. But it might make Vitek and the scumbuddy on his train nervous and nervous scum might make errors.

Indeed?
When and why did it happen?


...

Two people I’m not voting today, and no amount of trying to convince me will change that, are Vitek and Hunter.

Yes. You should do such a thing.

There is no doubt in my mind he's scum. Why he's not voting me is a mystery.

Why?


And what leads you to think either scene or flub are my buddies?
What gave it away?


You think I am mafia, right?
And Lift or trenton are my buddies, right?

Lift thinks I am mafia and you or flub are my buddies, correct?
Do you find this reasonable view to have after today? That either you, about whom he said Today (as in D4) that "It looks like Scene really does believe that he figured Vitek out" or flub, who refuses to answer my questions, is only focused on me and have not even expressed any intent to lynch anyone else, is my buddy trying to distance themselves.
Do you think it is towny thinking?

Do you want to know why I think he chose those 2 (I would of course like to here his explanation why)? 2 reasons IMO: 1. The other 2 are just too towny to try to put them there. 2. The more important thing is that he needs vote from one of them to lynch me and putting them as my buddies wouldn't convince them.

There are only 4 townies and if mafia wants to mislynch one of them, they need votes from 2 others. He already has yours so no use in convincing you and needs one more. Flub is his buddy so no need there either and there is no risk of antagonizing him.
So he needs Hunter or trent to seal the deal, right? So he needs to accomodate his reads to fit with it.
Or do you think he came to the conclusion either you or flub are my buddy based on our interactions? If so, I would like to see those shown.


Also look at his last post. Does the part with voting looks like something town does? Musing how he would love to put me at L-1 but worrying I, his main suspect who is according to him being already voted by his buddy, will get hammered while also almost taunting trent with "you won't hammer, will you".
What's your take on it?


Please just think about state of things and if you can think of any other scenario, where he makes latest posts and conclusions as town, not as mafia trying to get mislynch, present it to me.

Well as I’ve already stated I’m not voting Hunter or Vitek. I’m pretty sure flub is scum, but I’m still torn between Lift and Supplementscene for his buddy.

Vote Flub

Really? Were you not following our exchange today at all? You are awfully smug ... is that because you know you have bagged trent and that you are close to winning?


Sorry, I wasn't asking you. You currently share slot 2 in my scum list with scene, so I'm not taking your advice on that.

Again with the smugness. And yes, not rushing to L-1 is what is good for town. Unlike you I can't be 100% sure of anyone's alignment. So there is a slight chance that I am wrong, you are town and Hunter is the scum that's not on your train. Then putting you at L-1 would end the game. ... As town, I can't take that risk without Hunter's input. So I wait for him.


Or we can do that. Sure. And hope that Vitek's buddy is flubb, not scene. At least scene invested more work in this game than flubb. So...

fireblast Flubb

@Trent, why are you so convinced Vitek is town? Did you read my piece on Vitek's links to Mchak and what conclusions did you draw from it?

Why vote Flubb if you state you believe Vitek is the most likely Mafia player? If you're wrong Mafia win, correct?

What has Flubb done that is suspicious? Please show me quotes.

Why can't Trent be a bluffing Mafia player making a sacrifice? Why would the game be already over?

I voted SPF because I didn't have a clear suspect, he had been lurking and his accusations against Vitek did not seem logical at the time. I should have withdrawn earlier and read the thread back earlier.

1 thing Mafia do is thread spam in order to influence the game despite being minority players. It's kind of scummy to post too much in order to out advertise the competitors imo

I have answered Vitek's more interesting questions though.

I'm not convinced Trent is simply a town cop

I'm not sure why Adalia was picked. He's a good player. It implicates you, I think Scum expect you to get lynched and now want to distance themselves from you. Your scum buddy likely has already distanced himself reasonably away from you

I haven't considered posting from Flub suspicious, but if you can provide a series of quotes you think I should consider then I will. Actually the most suspicious act of Flub's is voting for you. Because the last scum member needs to distance himself and what better way than being on the train early?

I think Lift has played a bit more aggressively this game than when I played with him when he was townee

I think Trent's hammer of SPF without discussion maybe suspicious. Asking for peopels town bets rather than their scum bets helps scum. I will analyse Trent a bit more in another read.

Mchacks last post and I didn't think anything of it even in my re-read. Now I don't know anything about Pokeman but SirPF does. Did Vitek mistakenly use an avatar that would only make sense if he was scum? I don't know but....

I don't consider this in itself enough to make Vitek guilty. But everyone can read my analysis of Vitek and Mchacks strong buddy relationship

Anyway Mchack is defending Vitek here. He's doing it in a way that says 'it ruins the quality of the game'. Which is probably true. But a tell is a tell. Mchack is scum and his last act was

Why are you sure Flub is scum? Do you think it is strange that Lift is most convinced of Vitek being scum but is taking the risk of voting for a player who he thinks is less likely to be scum?

Do you think Scene is scummy because he suspected you?

Why are you convinced Vitek is town? Do none of the points I mentioned seem suspicious or do you find them stretches? Or did you think my suspicion towards you and Adalia made my case against Vitek lesser. Perhaps Mafia killed Adalia to say 'see Scene's wrong'...or to say "Vitek wouldn't be arguing with someone we ended up killing.' But there's double bluffs a plenty in this game.

I explain why Lift is mafia and now suddenly all are interested in flub.

Whatevs.

Mud slap flubbucket.


So pretend I didn't pick it up and show me what was the thing that was the tipping point from Yesterday "Vítek seem towny and re-read showed nothing wrong with him" to no. 1 suspect.

To show what posts and interactions made you believe flub or scene are my buddy would be welcomed too.

Heh.

That sure is something good towny should publicly muse about and also taunt people to hammer perhaps.


Thanks for not ignoring me completely anymore. I can't stop repeating it then. :-)

As for flub just read through his replies to me, where he just refuses to explain what made him suddenly think I am mafia and how he refuses to answer anything, how he ignores that Yesterday he said either SPF or Lift are mafia RB and when SPF flipped town he ignores Lift altogether.


Also, please read the post I made last night and try to think about it.

Is it 3 or 4 to invoke the hammer? If it's 3 Mafia have won. They're probably going to win anyway. I can't see Trent coming over on the Vitek train and we won't have the numbers otherwise.

Lift is also Scum. That's why Lift is voting for the Flubb when he's convinced Vitek is scum. That's also why he's gone into overdrive bickering with Vitek. He needs to provide the distancing if Vitek is lynched and confirmed as Scum. Lift is voting for Flubby despite saying this yesterday:

Lift is playing a risky game because this is clearly Scummy voting. Vitek had 2 votes, Flubb 1 and he goes for according to him least likely Scum. If Vitek somehow gets exposed he can't say he was on the train first but I think he's pulled it off and won the game.

Based on Lift's play Trent probably is certainly town. Vitek and Lift have pulled the wool over Trent's eyes. Lift said he knew for sure that Trent was town and they buddied up with him when I was unsure about Trent and accusing him. Trent thinks I'm Scum because I've accused him and made several haphazard mistakes in the game.

Flub has good reason to vote for you. I made a 1540 word post singling you out. Even if it wasn't true (it is), it would be normal for a poster to get on board such a lynch. As for your questions, they weren't they were accusations and assumptions.

Yourself and Lift have distanced well today. I wasn't sure Lift was the final hidden Mafia until today and the distancing looked very obvious from both of you.

You've won the game now. Hunter and Trent probably aren't getting on the Vitek train. If I got my post in an hour earlier SPF might not have been lynched and Town may have then won.

Last chance town, we can go for Lift or Vitek. Both in theory if they are genuinely town should now vote for each other because they both consider each other the most likely Scum player. They aren't and won't vote for each other though. Why? Why? Why?

No it takes four to get a lynch this time.


Role claim time.

Since I'm at L-1 I will make a last ditch to avoid mislynch.

I'm BellaBella the Bellossom. I can choose to visit any player and dance the healing dance for them. (It's the doctor role).

Night One I danced for Sage (just to me the sexy man) no other reason. (Flavor stated I wasn't seen)
Night Two I danced for trentonlf. (Flavor said basically he couldn't "see" me whatever that means.)
Night Three I danced for Hunter6656. (Flavor also said he couldn't "see" me as well.)

I have no clue what "seeing" means other than what I can surmise is a block or a hinted at commutation.


Lynching me will be a total mislynch.

DO NOT DO IT.