I don't know. You tell me. You're the one who brought this topic up! And where did flub claim that he was blocked on N1? What are you even talking about?


1. I see. So Sage was untargetable in some way at N1.

2. Why would scum assume that trent is a traitor who know one scum member instead of a cop? Unless this is a very un-normal setup where scum not only know that there is a traitor but also who the traitor is. ... Nah, those are too many ifs. In point 1 you argue to keep it simple. Applying the same logic to trent would lead to the conclusion that all 'trent is scum' scenarios are too convoluted. I will keep working under the assumption that he is town and keeps getting blocked or jailed

Never, now you are the one playing dumb.
It was hypothetical scenario. I even called that person flub2. It was someone who isn't me, you, trent or Hunter. It was to show how illogical it would be to think it could help scum Hunter claim roleblocker how you hinted at.

So you weren't active compared to other parts of game and your vote wasn't important to lynching SPF?
I would beg to differ.


What about the rest. The questions you continue to ignore? About Lift, lynch order, scum buddies, post 540 and suspicion of me, ditto 578.


@Hunter; If you, at least for a moment, look away from trent and your doubts about him, what 's your take on the rest of the game?

The commuter claim was a good one the way you did it, dedo would be proud LOL. Did you finish your read of the game again yet?

Was having trouble posting here because I messed up quote tags in past hour

1. You are correct.

2. Few points I want to address here:
- At start of point 2 I do state that likeliness of trent being town is higher than both mafia and traitor scenarios
- I then explained that since there are more than few implementations of traitor (going by mafiawiki here) it is convoluted (maybe as much as having an extra RB, should've stated this explicitly)
- Also I did note that it is convoluted to assume mafia has perfect information in this case

In summary I think we are both saying similar things. However, 2 things I disagree with in your point 2:
- The traitor knowing peeps on mafia team is normal as stated here (unless you meant normal on games here, in which case I wouldn't know)
- Also in same place you can see that mafia team knows of traitor's existence

@Vitek Been a lazy saturday so far, but I will reread and let you know what I think soon.

Thanks, anything to make dedo-senpai proud. :)

Alright, you crazy kids have proved your point, I'll stop hacking into your paypal accounts and ordering myself mammoth cheesecake. You can stop double-posting now, you've won, okay?



Woah! The contestants are really clashing!

Battle Update!
2 - Vitek is being attacked by supplementscene & flubbucket

0 - Lifthrasil
0 - Hunter65536
0 - Flubbucket
0 - trentonlf
0 - supplementscene
aren't being attacked.

and Lifthrasil, Hunter65536, trentonlf & Vitek aren't attacking anybody.

it takes 4 attackers to eliminate a participant

... but not who he is. That was my point. You're right, we are basically saying the same thing, only talking a bit past each other.


But back to the role-blocker question. If there isn't a second role-blocker and if trent is town, then him being blocked must come from somewhere. Jailer or something. We agree that trent is more likely town than scum. So I assume he didn't lie. Therefore someone must be responsible for him not being able to cop. I don't know whether a jailer would consistently block him to protect him. Would that be good play? So I still think that the assumption that whoever blocked him is scum aligned is valid. Which leads to the question: who blocked or stunned or jailed him?

Adalia raised the theory that electric-type pokemon may have stunning powers. He used that as argument against SPF. It turned out SPF didn't have blocking/stunning powers, but perhaps there is another electric pokemon among us who does. I know I defended Vitek against SPF because the 'he pretended to be an electric type pokemon and therefore he is scum' was bogus. But perhaps Vitek actually did initially use all these electric attacks because it fits his flavour and he didn't realize that it could be important until Vitek turned his attention to that. So maybe Vitek is our missing role-blocker after all.

We are at a mislynch and lose. If town can’t come together a mislynch is likely. For me I just need to figure out who I think the fourth town player is. I have a good feeling who two are and will not be voting them at all, and once I settle on who I think the fourth one is I will not be voting them either (have a strong lean on who it might be).

So how about everyone list who they think is town and why.

Did a quick run through the thread and unfortunately I don't think I have anything concrete to share. Keep getting the feeling that I should look out for McHack, Lift, Flub being mafia team. I think if it comes down to it I will vote lift or flub.

Town players re-read the whole thread with hindsight and ask yourselves what Mchacks intent was.

Up until the time I analysed the whole thread I played poorly but . Presently I'm the only town player who's re-read the thread with hindsight. I'm the only one who reminded everyone that Mchack voted SPF. Why did you vote SPF knowing that Mchack voted for him as his last action before being outed? Either your town and didn't read the thread or your scum.

It's the exact same post because I'm frustrated that town haven't read and analysed it.

I did actually vote Vitek but I forgot to bold it. I wanted to edit but realised I couldn't for 10 minutes and within those 10 minutes the hammer went down although I've been told since by PBS that Trent's post was the hammer blow anyway. Ironically I'd concluded PBS was innocent and Vitek was guilty way before Trent's post but wanted to finish my analysis thinking we had days left. We did have 2 days left. This is perhaps a sign that Trent is scum.

Why did you vote for SPF after Mchack did? Either your town and didn't read the thread or your scum.

Why are you asking me why I didn't post earlier when I stated why earlier? I stated my internet was down. It also takes a long time to read and analyse the whole thread. I started it the day before initially wanting to analyse how people responded to the newbie before deciding to focus on how people responded to Mchack.

I'm the only one who has picked up on Mchack's attacks on SPF and his obvious buddy relationship with Vitek

Vitek is obviously guilty, therefore his questions are irrelevant. And either you or Trent are the remaining Scum

Why so you can kill the most likely town player tonight and so you can keep the less likely townees alive?

Why did you finish SPF when we had 2 days left? I'm beggining to shift my focus from Lift to you but I'm not 100% sure. You were the first to pick up on ZFR's 'slip' to.

If you are scum that would be a great bluff but not as risk as it may seem. If it turns out their is an investigator you either get caught or claim their must be 2 investigators. If it turns out town turn on you, then Mchack gets to look Townee.

I couldn't say I have real town reads but I believe your calim so you are town and I have little reason to doubt Hunter. I wouldn't be convinced about scene but I am 95% sure flub is mafia and LIft is very likely to be too so that should make scene town.

Why did YOU vote SPF knowing that Mchack voted for him as his last action before being outed? Either your town and didn't read the thread or your scum.

Are you really going after our cop now?
Sorry, I forgot my question are irrelevant but because I ams tubborn idiot I will ask anyway.

Have read anything from today and from last EoD?
Do you have any opinion on that?
Does it perhaps shape your opinion somehow?
Does everything seem to fit your world view?
Do you find flub's aggressivness and stubborn avoiding of my questions as towny play?
Do you think Lift play as good town with throwing shade every way except flub's?
Do you think trent plays in anti-town manner?

Mangeld up my quote. It wasn't aimed at trenton

Are you really going after our cop now?
Sorry, I forgot my question are irrelevant but because I ams tubborn idiot I will ask anyway.

Have read anything from today and from last EoD?
Do you have any opinion on that?
Does it perhaps shape your opinion somehow?
Does everything seem to fit your world view?
Do you find flub's aggressivness and stubborn avoiding of my questions as towny play?
Do you think Lift play as good town with throwing shade every way except flub's?
Do you think trent plays in anti-town manner?

Did you read my thread analysis and did you have any thoughts on it?

Thank you, it was very insightful. :-)


Have read anything from today and from last EoD?
Do you have any opinion on that?
Does it perhaps shape your opinion somehow?
Does everything seem to fit your world view?
Do you find flub's aggressivness and stubborn avoiding of my questions as towny play?
Do you think Lift play as good town with throwing shade every way except flub's?
Do you think trent plays in an anti-town manner?

Then why don't you vote for me??