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flubbucket: Actually JMich voted for you as well in post #120, but I quoted Krypsyn because he apparently spotted something I should have seen.
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dedoporno: I know about JMich. I was referring to how you joined Krypsyn's vote, seemingly just because. Why did you have to wait until now?
Let me BOLD AND UNDERLINE in my post the reason.
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Bookwyrm627: We need to know mechanics and we have some information in that direction from the OP flavor, so I'm inclined to look into that. I guess alternatively we could start looking at lynching the player with the least number of posts (or helpful posts); that should apply some pressure to speak up, but it could very easily be counter productive.
Ok, ok , ok! I'm just catching up after being away with school business and done insulting Russian nationalists. So I don't know if anyone else noticed, but I can't be the only one that sees a pattern here. Every game it is the same thing. Every game there is that one guy who simply has something against lurkers and has a policy of lynching all lurkers. And I swear, if we were to go by that last game, we would definitely gotten a scum eventually (Sage), and about 4 other townies in the process. I can't be the only one of the more experienced people facepalming to the idea, can I?
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CSPVG: The other thing such lists are good for is gauging the reaction of players. Prod someone, see how they respond, and repeat until you've been able to see the reactions of several people. This seems a viable method of scum hunting to me.
This is a decent argument.

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CSPVG: So, in other words, it's simply that I'm at a loss for what else to do, and am following impressions I have of the lot of you based on my preconceived notions of how certain players usually go about playing the game.
This...I don't know what this is. I will not argue with the same old "different style" argument. That applies to very limited cases.
I will however argue that you haven't quite played enough with everybody here to properly assert your suspicions. Here's how I see it. I don't remember your list exactly, and if I am wrong, that's my shortcoming, but I am fairly certain it was full of people with whom you've played before. Why? Because like you said, you get a "feel". Yet here I am telling you that "feel" is inefficient because it discriminates against old timers and ignores the new players. You basically look only in a 180 degree angle as opposed to a 360 one.

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Bookwyrm627: 1) Who is willing to straight up claim town?
If flub is the epitome of towness, I'm the hyperbole.

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Bookwyrm627: 2) Who is willing to work together to start applying pressure?
I lead, I do not follow. Working with others is a considerable request when others are capable of understanding the finer points of the game.

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TwilightBard: I'm more interested in seeing reasoning and votes
Funny you say this when you of all people voted without giving your reasoning.

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TwilightBard: A list of names is ok, but explanations allow for greater conversation. Why is this person on your list? What makes them stand out?
Oh, I get it! It's stand up comedy time. Ok, ok, ok! I got one as well:

A duck walks into a bar and asks the bartender: "Hey, bartender! You got grapes?"
Bartender: "No."
The duck leaves and returns the second day: "Hey, bartender! You got grapes?"
Bartender: "No."
The duck leaves and returns the third day: "Hey, bartender! You got grapes?"
Bartender: "No."
The duck leaves and returns the next day. Next day the bartender says: "If you ask me about grapes one more time I will nail your feet to the floor." The duck leaves.
It returns the following day and it asks: "Hey, bartender! You got nails?"
Bartender: "No."
Duck: "Then you got grapes?"

Jokes aside, this heavily contradicts your actions earlier in the day. Just something worth while to point out. Apparently you had to be confronted about your choice to come up with this town sounding post.
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HijacK: Every game it is the same thing. Every game there is that one guy who simply has something against lurkers and has a policy of lynching all lurkers. And I swear, if we were to go by that last game, we would definitely gotten a scum eventually (Sage), and about 4 other townies in the process.
I agree with you on one level: lurking doesn't necessarily mean someone is scum. The inverse is also not always true: being vocal does not necessarily mean someone is pro-town. The main trouble with lurkers is they can make the game drag on and on, because without posts, and the votes they may contain, the game can't go anywhere.

So, Sage (scum) and 4 other town were lurkers, by your estimation, in the previous game. Had town just lynched all of them, one by one, until and unless they started posting, do you think it would have made the game go faster? Do you think the outcome would have been different? I am not sure it would have changed the outcome at all, however the dynamic would have been much more interesting to watch.
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adaliabooks: I'm still not keen on Bookwyrm and dedo's discussion of role mechanics but considering they've both had a bit of heat dedo's defence of Bookwyrm and claim of him being the most town (not sure why, couldn't see anything myself), seems a bit risky if they are scum buddies.
Out of the infinite potential scenarios, 2 to 3, and some other variations of them, are plausible in such an existential frame. I am still going over one of these possibilities, one which dabbles in confusion and latching to what sticks, but the basic structure of the other 2 is that Book#2 and dedo are either scum buddies/ masons (hence the variations), or dedo has the utmost impression that Book#2 has set up a trap for scum to see who bites the bait.

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adaliabooks: Krypsyn's vote on dedo is suspicious... his behaviour in general seems odd, but I'm not sure what to make of it or him as I've only ever seen him play scum and don't really have a frame of reference to compare town or scum... he's also on my watch list.
When is Kryps not suspicious?

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adaliabooks: And everyone else seems to be behaving largely as expected...
How dare you, sir?


Th Kryps matter. I don't think he's a Jester. He's either having some fun in the beginning days until things become interesting or he's scum impersonating a Jester. Town tends to ignore the Jester unless a policy lynch is the only option, so while a risky game, he can slip under the radar with such a behavior all game.

But for some reason, my mind escapes the reasonable explanations for something else. I don't think he's either one of these. He may be just that intelligent and spot something that I missed.
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Krypsyn: So, Sage (scum) and 4 other town were lurkers, by your estimation, in the previous game. Had town just lynched all of them, one by one, until and unless they started posting, do you think it would have made the game go faster? Do you think the outcome would have been different? I am not sure it would have changed the outcome at all, however the dynamic would have been much more interesting to watch.
This I can't agree with. Why is that? As I have explained in the observation thread I finally had proof of why Sage is scum, and her lack of activity had something to do with it. For many a game she made a case that as scum she wouldn't know how to lie because she's bad at it, so how does one avoid not slipping in a mafia game? He/she avoids posting. If she had posted more and more, a slip up would've eventually been inevitable by her own logic, thus the game would have progressed faster.

However, it took me quite a bit to finally realize what a fool I was not to make a case out of this when I was alive. But here's the thing. This is indeed a double edged sword because this case only applies to Sage. If we had lynched everyone else but Sage, we would've been in a delicate spot where we could have lost the game. Given psychological variables the game has, after a couple, or a maximum of 3 failed lurker lynches people would opt this option out, thus she could have escaped with it. This and I doubt the threat of lynching really makes people post at a dramatically increased rate. The prime example is CSPVG himself. He barely posts more under the threat of lynch.
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HijacK: ...........<snip>...........

He may be just that intelligent and spot something that I missed.
I wouldn't say he's "intelligent" but I believe he spotted something.

His post #186 was "Hmm... interesting... " then he voted. So I backtracked to see what he thought was interesting, and found it.

His current posting style is not concerning because I agree with you, "He's either having some fun in the beginning days until things become interesting..."

And I only say that because I think his vote has merit.
(Have to take a day or two away from the game due to weather and my bosses having the brains of a sack of potatoes. Hopefully not long, shouldn't be a problem, but if it is, fuck it, do what you have to.)
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flubbucket: Let me BOLD AND UNDERLINE in my post the reason.
Oh! Totally legit then. Thanks for bolding and underlining it.
@ Krypsyn and Flubbucket.

You have both spotted something which makes you think Dedo is Scum and worth voting on.

Can you explain to me why you haven't shared that information with the rest of town? If you have uncovered a slip its your duty to reveal that slip so the rest of us can consider it, and vote as necessary.

To sit on it without revealing is scummy play of the highest order.
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Robbeasy: @ Krypsyn and Flubbucket.

You have both spotted something which makes you think Dedo is Scum and worth voting on.

Can you explain to me why you haven't shared that information with the rest of town? If you have uncovered a slip its your duty to reveal that slip so the rest of us can consider it, and vote as necessary.

To sit on it without revealing is scummy play of the highest order.
It's dedoporno's post #181.

I don't care about his vote for trentonlf, but dedo seems to have knowledge the rest of us don't have.

Specifically who is town and who is scum.
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flubbucket: It's dedoporno's post #181.

I don't care about his vote for trentonlf, but dedo seems to have knowledge the rest of us don't have.

Specifically who is town and who is scum.
So, that is what Krypsyn saw, that you didn't? That I have knowledge? You actually missed that? Are you actually paying attention?

That knowledge is called "paying attention and taking calculated risks", by the way. Funnily, you should have the exact same knowledge as me, if you are Town.
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Robbeasy: @ Krypsyn and Flubbucket.

You have both spotted something which makes you think Dedo is Scum and worth voting on.

Can you explain to me why you haven't shared that information with the rest of town? If you have uncovered a slip its your duty to reveal that slip so the rest of us can consider it, and vote as necessary.

To sit on it without revealing is scummy play of the highest order.
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flubbucket: It's dedoporno's post #181.

I don't care about his vote for trentonlf, but dedo seems to have knowledge the rest of us don't have.

Specifically who is town and who is scum.
Thankyou. Very prompt!
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dedoporno: Funnily, you should have the exact same knowledge as me, if you are Town.
Would we? For one, I know my name, but I don't know yours. Or do you know my name but don't know yours either?
Same holds true for roles, and town can potentially know names and/or roles of other townies as well, in case of lovers, masons or other cases.

So no, two townies do not necessarily have the exact same knowledge.
For the record, I was building a case against him because I found things I totally did not like. He was my strong candidate for being scum. He is now #1 on my town list.

I don't want to say more because I want to see who else to trust.

By the way, well-played, Dedo.