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Posted June 10, 2021
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lixicus: So gog why was the site removed ? Should we be worried you are going to leave games with DRM from now on ?
Probably because of an image change ... they've finally realized it was crude and juvenile ... which many of us of course can relate to ... I'd have few dollars for every time I've combined DRM with the word f*ck.

Hopefully that is all it is anyway. Just them cultivating a more mature and responsible image ... might lure more game providers in.
Posted June 10, 2021
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lixicus: So gog why was the site removed ? Should we be worried you are going to leave games with DRM from now on ?
They already sell games with DRM. I'm not talking about multiplayer-DRM, which has unfortunately already become standard on GOG, but about single-player games with DRM on parts of them.

https://www.gog.com/forum/general/drm_on_gog_list_of_singleplayer_games_with_drm/page1

Plus, of course, GOG sells fully DRM-ed Epic games via Galaxy.
Posted June 10, 2021
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lixicus: So gog why was the site removed ? Should we be worried you are going to leave games with DRM from now on ?
It was left to rot for several years without any update on it, it didn't really got the traction they were expecting not to mention the drama with Zoom, the only thing surprising is that they kept it online for so long.
Posted June 10, 2021
Well, if gog still opposes DRM they could cooperate with "Defective by Design". Or are there any reasons not to?
Post edited June 10, 2021 by viperfdl
Posted June 10, 2021
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lixicus: So gog why was the site removed ? Should we be worried you are going to leave games with DRM from now on ?
The campaign has simply ended and we had to take down the archived page as it no longer worked properly. It currently redirects the domain to GOG.COM.
Posted June 10, 2021
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nightcraw1er.488: It was removed as it’s not the main selling point anymore. Whilst it is still important, other things like galaxy, online marketplace, multiplayer etc. Make far more money and thus take precedence.
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JakobFel: Lol DRM-free is still their main selling point, it's literally plastered all over the site and promotional material. Galaxy, multiplayer, etc. are not DRM, no matter how much people like to gripe about them.
Gwent, cyberpunk, no mans sky (might be fixed now), absolver, selling epic games, there others. Cyberpunk was built from the ground up as a microtransaction multiplayer platform.
Steam is also drm free by you reckoning, there are other options to download games, and lots do not have CEG or other drm in. In fact, GOG agree with you as GabeN was on the front page of that site.
So yes, drm free is starting to take a backseat, no matter how much people like to defend them.
Posted June 10, 2021
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JakobFel: Lol DRM-free is still their main selling point, it's literally plastered all over the site and promotional material. Galaxy, multiplayer, etc. are not DRM, no matter how much people like to gripe about them.
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nightcraw1er.488: Gwent, cyberpunk, no mans sky (might be fixed now), absolver, selling epic games, there others. Cyberpunk was built from the ground up as a microtransaction multiplayer platform.
Steam is also drm free by you reckoning, there are other options to download games, and lots do not have CEG or other drm in. In fact, GOG agree with you as GabeN was on the front page of that site.
So yes, drm free is starting to take a backseat, no matter how much people like to defend them.
Gwent and Cyberpunk have zero DRM. I don't know about the others and as for Epic, that's literally just a partnership. Furthermore, Cyberpunk has absolutely zero mutliplayer OR microtransactions.

As I've said many times on this site, DRM does not automatically equal whatever you don't like about a game or its publisher. People have applied those three letters as a catch-all to describe whatever they don't like about something and frankly, it's ridiculous.
Posted June 10, 2021
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JakobFel: Gwent ... zero DRM.
Can you play Gwent without the presence of specific servers?
Posted June 10, 2021
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JakobFel: Gwent ... zero DRM.
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teceem: Can you play Gwent without the presence of specific servers?
No, that's not DRM. You literally cannot play an online game without the presence of servers. That's kinda how it works.
Posted June 10, 2021
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teceem: Can you play Gwent without the presence of specific servers?
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JakobFel: No, that's not DRM. You literally cannot play an online game without the presence of servers. That's kinda how it works.
He means you need galaxy to play online, there are many examples of games with direct ip or creating your own servers.
Posted June 10, 2021
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teceem: Can you play Gwent without the presence of specific servers?
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JakobFel: No, that's not DRM. You literally cannot play an online game without the presence of servers. That's kinda how it works.
I mean, that's no true lol, DRM is not a requirement for online games.
Posted June 10, 2021
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teceem: Can you play Gwent without the presence of specific servers?
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JakobFel: No, that's not DRM. You literally cannot play an online game without the presence of servers. That's kinda how it works.
I wasn't even talking about ANY servers, I said SPECIFIC servers (the servers owned by the company that made/published the game).
Have you never heard of setting up your own server... or just a direct (online) connection to another player? What's next? Are you going to tell me that I can't listen to music without a Spotify account...
Post edited June 10, 2021 by teceem
Posted June 10, 2021
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JakobFel: No, that's not DRM. You literally cannot play an online game without the presence of servers. That's kinda how it works.
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teceem: I wasn't even talking about ANY servers, I said SPECIFIC servers (the servers owned by the company that made the game).
Have you never heard of setting up your own server... or just a direct (online) connection to another player? What's next? Are you going to tell me that I can't listen to music without a Spotify account...
lol
Posted June 10, 2021
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nightcraw1er.488: Gwent, cyberpunk, no mans sky (might be fixed now), absolver, selling epic games, there others. Cyberpunk was built from the ground up as a microtransaction multiplayer platform.
Steam is also drm free by you reckoning, there are other options to download games, and lots do not have CEG or other drm in. In fact, GOG agree with you as GabeN was on the front page of that site.
So yes, drm free is starting to take a backseat, no matter how much people like to defend them.
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JakobFel: Gwent and Cyberpunk have zero DRM. I don't know about the others and as for Epic, that's literally just a partnership. Furthermore, Cyberpunk has absolutely zero mutliplayer OR microtransactions.

As I've said many times on this site, DRM does not automatically equal whatever you don't like about a game or its publisher. People have applied those three letters as a catch-all to describe whatever they don't like about something and frankly, it's ridiculous.
If I am not able to play it offline on my machine, with no connection, then it is not under my control, someone else is controlling it. DRM has never been a good phrase. Third party control mechanisms is better, as this includes all forms of online requirements such as online checks, install limits, rights control modules, gambling, telemetry (another thing gog cares nothing about), online locked content etc.
The fight against DRM is the fight against third party control over you, note how many posts complain about things messing with their library, no comprehension of offline, totally controlled by third party, and if they don’t allow it, just as broken as drm infested games, in fact streaming is one step further down that route, where the user doesn’t even have content to hack later on, total abstinence of any form of ownership or control.
Posted June 11, 2021
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teceem: Can you play Gwent without the presence of specific servers?
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JakobFel: No, that's not DRM. You literally cannot play an online game without the presence of servers. That's kinda how it works.
That is a lie that DRM defenders like to repeat. But it is not true. You can play multiplayer without proprietary servers. And especially without Galaxy. The Galaxy requirement on many multiplayer games is DRM, nothing else.

DRM free multiplayer options would be:
- LAN
- direct IP
- setting up a dedicated server yourself
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