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yogsloth: What am I supposed to learn if Sage is lynched and flips Town?
If you are very perceptive you will learn that she is town, and we have one less town player. :P

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Leonard03: Ok, you're getting scummier Mr. Vitek
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Vitek: Am I? :-)

Why?
You seem to have a habit of not answering questions. And not just mine...

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HypersomniacLive: Earlier today he gave his reads on other players in his post #921. Who's on top of that list? Leonard03. Does he vote him? No. Why does this look exactly like what he accused flubbucket of?
You know something else I find weird? Robbeasy was the first to bring some attention to me (he gave me an RVS vote before I had posted). I was also the one he was agreeing with (sort of, not for the same reasons) when he voted yogsloth. I also remember flubbucket accusing Robb of tutoring me or something. Something else interesting, A_Future_Pilot was the second newest player, and was lynched the first day. Sage jumped on his wagon and 7, while Robbeasy/Vitek was on at 2. But flub didn't hammer, apparently, as others have suggested, to gain town points. Curiouser and curiouser...
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Leonard03: You seem to have a habit of not answering questions. And not just mine...
Which ones?
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Vitek: Yogsloth, you feel like you are fairly certain Sage will flip town. Why is that? You said her play improved over time not so long ago. Can you explain in what way?
Her main crime early when her first wagon built was simple lurking. Once she was called on that, she showed back up and started contributing in essentially the way I would expect her to, according to how I've seen her play in the past. Even her "giving up" is consistent with how she displays the frustration all players can be subject to in this game. After all, she just keeps getting lynched, lol.

Yes, I am guilty of meta-playing. I understand many veteran players disapprove of this, and perhaps I will too, after more experience. However, for now, I feel it's an appropriate tool to fall back on given the lack of other, more concrete tools available to us in this specific game.

You know, it's all up in the air. Am I utterly correct that JMich is scum and Sage is town? I have no idea.

No - that's not correct to say. I have only an idea.

What knowledge do any of us really have in this particular game? Only our wits and our guts, and I'm simply following mine to the best of my abilities. My skin is thick enough to take little offense if you remain unimpressed. :)

Thank you though, for answering my question at least as to what we would learn by lynching Sage. I'm not certain about all those items, and at least one of the "cons" is decidedly in the wrong column, but at least it's something.
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Vitek: [...]

5. Pros of Sage [...]

Cons - [...]
How about the pros & cons of voting Vitek?
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HypersomniacLive: How about the pros & cons of voting Vitek?
Just switch it and change negative sentances to positive and vice versa.

Pros of Vítek -
I. You will get rid of me.
II. I won't be around anymore.
III. I will send you my naked photos.

Cons - I. You don't have chance of killing mafia.
II. You would look totally silly.
III. I will laugh at you.
IV. You wouldn't vote because of sensible reasons.
V. I mentioned scummy things about her and you don't want that.
VI. Vítek isn't scummy.
VII. You will have worse chance of winning this game.
VIII. Sage is not helpful, Vítek is. (no change here)
IX. Vítek is willing to stay in this game, Sage has no interest apparently. (no change either)

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yogsloth: Yes, I am guilty of meta-playing. I understand many veteran players disapprove of this, and perhaps I will too, after more experience. However, for now, I feel it's an appropriate tool to fall back on given the lack of other, more concrete tools available to us in this specific game.
No! Don't be crazy and don't listen to them. Meta-gaming is good and can be quite helpful. I used to do it a lot and it made me fun companions at the parties. OK, I lie, people get bored as shit by it but I still like to use it.


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yogsloth: Her main crime early when her first wagon built was simple lurking. Once she was called on that, she showed back up and started contributing in essentially the way I would expect her to, according to how I've seen her play in the past. Even her "giving up" is consistent with how she displays the frustration all players can be subject to in this game. After all, she just keeps getting lynched, lol.
So it is consistent with her character or with her play as town and not as mafia?
I can't say I ma voting her for lurking, I think she is scum because she does nothing even when she posts. She doesn't scum-hunt, her list (only one and made on D1 more than month ago) was based mostly on feels and was quite random and since then there was nothing from her. Is that normal for her as well?
The past several days are a blur. At the start of the week, we transitioned to our summer schedule (longer days, shorter work week.) Started coming down with something on Tuesday, it hit hard on Wednesday, and saw the doctor this afternoon. He ruled out anything to really be concerned about, fluids and lots of rest throughout the extended weekend.
I needed to re-read everything from Monday thru today as the following makes apparent:
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HypersomniacLive: @cristigale
Are you no longer interested in JMich's reply? Or are you satisfied with his recent posting? Something else?
Thanks for bringing this up, I didn’t track with much the past few days.

I thought in this post that JMich was subtly recognizing Bookwyrm. However, JMich made it clear here:

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JMich: I haven't answered Cristi's question. I was evaluating the players, and trying to see if any of those is one I would currently feel comfortable lynching. Up to your post, there wasn't any, though you do slowly creep towards a "wyrm may be a possible candidate" position. I may be reading too much into you fishing for roles though, and it is possible you (or someone else) can convince me otherwise.
that was not the case. I was expecting an answer to follow. After that, I struggled to focus on the game.

So, yes, I am still interested in JMich’s reply. It sounds like several of us are by now.

@JMich – Would you answer my question about who you would vote for to avoid a no-lynch?

@Hyper – You provide good analysis. When you don’t vote, it is hard to gauge which parts you find the most telling. Who would you vote for to avoid a no-lynch?

I will weigh-in on who to lynch after a break.
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cristigale: [...]

@Hyper – You provide good analysis. When you don’t vote, it is hard to gauge which parts you find the most telling. Who would you vote for to avoid a no-lynch?

I will weigh-in on who to lynch after a break.
My analysis usually consists of parts that build on each other, it's the combination that makes me look closer at someone, and not necessarily one or two things about them.

Who I'd vote to avoid a no-lynch? At this point, it's between Sage103082 and Vitek (provided that others would be willing to vote for him).

I don't find one more helpful than the other, and both have given me reasons to look at them closer. I'm still chewing over who I'd take, hence my request for pros and cons; perhaps I'm missing something that someone else has caught.

Unvote Sage.
Vote Vitek.
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Bookwyrm627:
Unvote Sage.
Vote Vitek.
Finally: something entertaining. Didn't really see that coming, and I love the utter lack of explanation and motivation. Hey-what-the-hell-lets-do-this... amirite?

OK boss.

Once again, nobody likes my guy as a lynch candidate. I don't like Sage a a lynch candidate. But we're out of time. Time only for my HSL-annoying vote flip.

Unvote JMich

Vote Vitek
Can we please have a vote count?
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Sage103082: Can we please have a vote count?
Sure!

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Votes-happened Unofficial Vote Count:

Sage103082: 3 votes - adaliabooks, Vitek, Sage103082

Vitek: 4votes - Leonard03, Cristigale, Bookwyrm627, yogsloth

Leonard03: 1 vote - Hijack

Not voting: JMich, HypersomniacLive.

With ten (10) players alive, it takes six (6) votes to reach a majority decision.

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Want to re-think your vote?
Yes.

I am not going to give up without a fight. Even if someone thinks I am doing nothing to help! I mean my nails are not going to paint themselves and if I type to much I am just going to chip my new polish job. All I do here is look pretty (and that's debatable) and fill up space. Woah is me. =P Sorry I have had the longest day ever but I feel a bit spunky. Might have been the wine coolers between moving a friend out and police stopping over.


Unvote Sage103082

Vote Vitek
Now that yogsloth has moved his vote to a more viable candidate for the day, and Sage has pushed back the suicidal tendencies...

Unvote Vitek. Vote Sage.

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I'm-going-to-bed-now Unofficial Vote Count:

Sage103082: 3 votes - adaliabooks, Vitek, Bookwyrm627

Vitek: 4 votes - Leonard03, Cristigale, yogsloth, Sage103082

Leonard03: 1 vote - Hijack

Not voting: JMich, HypersomniacLive.

With ten (10) players alive, it takes six (6) votes to reach a majority decision.

No lynch occurs in less than 24 hours. If I see Vitek get to L-1, I'll hammer him.

HSL and JMich: you guys should probably participate in voting if you want to avoid a no-lynch.
Vitek and Sage

Sage:
When I saw that Sage had voted on herself, I thought she would be lynched. I find it interesting that in both this situation and when she was at L-1 earlier, her apparent willingness to sacrifice herself seemed to actually give people pause. I don’t know if this is a townie play or a very ballsy scum move. She has since moved her vote to Vitek.

I do see benefit in lynching Sage for the wagon, even if she is town. I would prefer to lynch someone who is higher on my scum list.

Vitek:
It bothers me that Vitek doesn’t remember that Sage has been suspicious of adalia. It seemed like a fairly noticeable back-and-forth between Sage and adailia starting a week or so ago. Sage has also voiced suspicions about JMich before. She has not been nearly as vocal about JMich as adalia. Vitek not noticing either of these, particularly adalia, seems reminiscent of Robb’s early play.

I also think it is unfair to say that Sage has not contributed (at least since her first near lynch). Her play style is not as analytical as most. I see her asking questions when she sees something that seems off. It’s more gut based than fact based, but it still adds a perspective I find beneficial.

I’m also not sure why Vitek seems to be taunting Leonard.

Vitek has made some posts I found pro-town and helpful. Apart from those, he seems to be playing with people. I must admit the naked photos comment made me laugh.


Bookwyrm - wow, his vote switching baffles me more than Sage or Vitek right now (unless he trying to force others to vote)


With the vote now at L-2 (Vitek) and L-3 (Sage), I’m leaving my vote with the player I find scummier. Without others placing their votes, I don’t see switching my vote to Sage making a difference at this point.
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HypersomniacLive: I also find it very interesting that he doesn't miss a chance to nitpick on every single thing yogsloth says (but somehow it's only yogsloth that is obsessed with him)
So you think I am obsessed with yog?

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HypersomniacLive: yet found nth noteworthy about flubbucket's post #88, or the discussion that followed when brought to light.
Post 88. You mean the one that flub said nothing other than an impossible thing will change his mind? Similar to
"Will I be able to activate my GOG games on Steam?"
"Yes, when Half Life 3 is released as a GOG exclusive"
No, I didn't find anything noteworthy about flub saying that nothing will change his mind.

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cristigale: @JMich – Would you answer my question about who you would vote for to avoid a no-lynch?
If the question is between Sage and Vitek, who I'd rather vote for, Sage is the one that gets my vote. Since mafia 17 or so (ship asylum), I have made a point to assume Vitek is the same faction as me, to avoid me and him disrupting the game. And I also still believe Robb's blunder during day 1 was just a blunder. So between those two, Sage gets my vote. Let me place it now.

Vote Sage103082

Now, if the question wasn't who would I vote to avoid a no lynch, but rather who I think should be getting my vote, neither Sage nor Vitek are on said list.
Wyrm would be my first choice. Attempts at role fishing, attempts to direct play, switching wagons and back again and so on. His play seems similar to yog's play during day 1, though less aggressive.
Yog slowly creeps to the second choice. Him jumping on Vitek as soon as Wyrm placed his vote does reek, as does Wyrm's switching back. It could though be that Wyrm was trying to lure yog out with said vote. Main reason I have my doubts about yog being scum is OMGUS. I am not sure how much of my suspicion is based on him going after me, thus why I still give him the benefit of the doubt.