Graduation and grad night were dope. I'm going to sip some water now and play the game.

So far the posts are how I expected them to be. Lots of "if's" and "maybes." None of them really stand out too much, maybe just book#2 weird vig statement. So far the explanation makes no sense and I tend to look at it suspiciously. Besides the fact that I find the tactic of setting someone up for a vig shot cowardice and pathetic (what if I were doctor or roleblocker? this here is good enough reason for me to vote) , here's a full analysis:

First of all, only scum would know the difference between a genuine NK and a Vig shot if scum had the Vig shot, so if a player knew which one was which, everyone else would have known that that player is scum, so this scenario doesn't sound very possible. I tend to take worst case scenarios in consideration, and in this case I don't think any of the scum are stupid enough to make such a slip. Just my 2 cents on the whole ordeal.

Oh, GG. This is the most solid reason I've read so far and it's utterly weak. What if the Vig is town? What makes you think the Vig is scum? I've read this 6 times and the whole sentence reeks of implying that the Vig can only be scum.

And how would you know which one is NK and which one is Vig? You're treading with WIFOM. Hardcore.

I would have so liked for this scenario to play out and me to be doctor or reloblocker. It would be a fitting end for such a "genius" idea.

I see . So your plan was pretty much based on the notion that scum are stupid and would slip the fact they have extra knowledge. I judged adalia before. Never again.

I don't know. Maybe he has extra information that I am not a roleblocker or doctor. In which case it begs the question how did he have extra information about both roles?

Finale: Alright. I had no candidate for this day, but if nothing moves in the next 12 to 24 hours I will vote Bookwyrm.

Your reputation precedes you.

Where did this question come from?

First of all, congratulations. The easy part is now over, on to the real challenge.

Role Cop? Though that would mean he investigated those two roles during night 1 and night 2. Improbable, but not impossible.

What about me? ;)

Your implication seemed to be that you were giving the scum vigilante someone to shoot at, and then when you knew who the vigilante was, you would also know they were scum. I was saying that it seems funny you think only a scum would shoot HijacK.

I'm guessing it is "cowardice" and "pathetic" because I'm setting up someone specific to possibly die? We'll just gloss over how I have to risk myself as part of the plan.

Who is going to accuse me of taking a vig shot at you if less than two people die? Scum should know better, and town (including me) are more likely to assume that the vig shot wasn't taken at all.

Nothing would happen unless two people turn up dead, one of them being you, and then someone tries to connect me to your kill. THAT is when the dance would begin.

So what if town vigs you? If town is vig, then town vig can easily claim if someone tries to accuse someone else of the vig shot. My plan discounts a town vig because a town vig won't shoot you and blame me. You would have been vigged on your own merits (or lack thereof), based on the decision making of the town vig.

If two kills turn up, everyone should be able to immediately see that both the NK and the Vig occurred. At that point, my plan still wouldn't activate unless/until someone suggested I did it. If it is a scum vig, then it doesn't particularly matter WHICH one is technically the vig and which is the NK, does it? See above about a town vig.

I never expected scum to go "Hijack died to a vig shot, Wyrm must have done it!" That is, as you stated, stupid. But consider something like "Hijack is dead, and 2 kills occurred so the vig took a shot last night. You know, wyrm was talking about vigging him yesterday..."

Hijack was nothing more than a convenient stalking horse for the idea. As I stated earlier, I could hardly make a framework for taking a shot at certain players just to "teach them a lesson".


JMich has already pointed out a hole in your vote prep: I might have the Role Cop ability and already know who is and who isn't the Doctor and Role Blocker. Such is not the case, but you did skip right past that while setting up to vote for me.

And maybe it is just me, but you seem oddly certain that the doctor and role blocker are both town. Why is that?

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I'd have the same information to use to identify whether the vig shot occurred as any other non-vig townie, just as I'd have the same information for determining whether it was a scum vig or town vig.

I'm not saying only a scum vig would shoot Hijack (far from it), just that I was trying to provide an opening for a possible scum vig to use their vig and then maybe get a townie lynched for it. In a 1 vig situation like this, if a town vig took the shot, I'd expect him to intervene rather than let someone else get lynched for shooting.

I think I see what you are saying. It seems a little risky though.

Had you been my candidate I would have already voted for you, but after some thinking I was unsure about you. You require monitoring, but what I have on you is not enough for me to vote for you. The argument we had and some day 1 weirdness is not a good enough reason to vote. At least this is what I reason given this situation.

Oh, I looked at your plan and you're not risking anything. WIFOM is the best tool in this case since no one would have alleged evidence.

This part makes no sense given the context. I never even implied less than 2 shots would take place.

Did you even read what I wrote? Did I ever say the 2 deaths wouldn't happen? Why are you taking a side road again and going off the initial statement?

Here's the point you're missing. I don't give a shit if the vig is town and you don't get accused. If you haven't figured it out by now, I don't trust your skills into this game to find scum, and as a matter of fact, you're my scum suspect right now.

Again, WIFOM. This wouldn't even fly. Plus scum would pretty much have to go out of their own way to make such an accusation. Do you remember what happened to flub when he made some wild accusations without much feasibility?

That's just you. Never stated this. So why bring it up? Second time you try to wing my words and go around them. What even makes you think I think they are on town side? As a matter of fact, point me to the right sentence. Is it because I asked how do you have extra information about the roles? Well, you know, you may be scum and you had at least some information about them. Maybe your scum buddy got one of these roles. Or maybe one of you is indeed a Role Cop. All viable options.

A little risky? Maybe "blindingly inane", perhaps?

Thank you! Life is going to get real busy soon.

I took this scenario in consideration, along with a scenario where he (allegedly being role cop) investigated me and knew I was neither of the roles, but they all seemed to have low chances of probability so I didn't mention them.
Either way, his "I planned this vig shot thingy" story does not fly with me. I don't actually think it is true.

*shrug* If scum have the vig, then we either have to lynch them or protect against it to avoid losing a townie to it. Technically, I suppose scum could just sit on it until they win via NK, but what are the odds of that?

It might well have been a bad plan. Live and learn. Unfortunately, I don't always realize which ideas are only good in one's head before I try it out.

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Well, I know that I didn't overlook the possibility that someone might successfully convince others that I deserved to get lynched for vigging a townie out of spite. Maybe you use a different definition of risk than I do.

I did read it, and then I proceeded to explain the different possibilities and how I'd identify a scum vig shot.

Oooooooh. My mistake, I thought you were questioning why I wouldn't worry about a town vig making the shot. I didn't realize you were just in OMGUS mode.

Hunh. Guess you missed the part where I was working on laying down a potential path for them to use.

I didn't say you explicitly said it. Your stated intention to vote just seemed geared toward my having possibly risked a doctor or role blocker. "(what if I were doctor or roleblocker? this here is good enough reason for me to vote)".


Then call me a liar and place your vote. I'd love to hear what my neferious plan actually was.

I don't like the idea of Bookwyrm's plan or his intended execution of it. But right now I've got bigger fish to fry.

Lets get this party started.
I'm not the Tracker, I bid on it and failed, so I'm vanilla town. I bid for Tracker because I thought it's basically the most useful role for town and that I would be able to make reasonable use of it, and to make sure it was bid on at all and in the game. I think my number was 8, but I'm on my phone so I can't see my chats to confirm (thanks GoG!) and it might be 6 (can't remember which one I went for in the end but I'll clarify when I can check on my laptop.)

So here's where we are. 8 players, three claimed vanilla (I inculde HijacK in that as he's basically Vanilla now). We have two roles which we know exist, Vig and Tracker. We can reasonably assume Doctor exists, and at least one of Role Cop or Role Blocker. Which pretty much fills up the roster, with space for one more vanilla if only one of those roles exists or there was a lot of duplication.
Now, for reasons already stated, I believe the Vig is in town hands. I also believe at least one scum will have taken a shot at getting vig, because why not?
So, Sage bid for Vig, whoever actually has it bid for Vig and so apparently did yogsloth. Unless flub (or some of the other remaining players) bid for Vig too, that highly suggests that yogs might be the scum vig bid. Now lets look closer at this.
yogs claims to have bid 1. Again, I would consider it highly likely that at least one scum will have bid 1 (as they know the numbers their buddies have bid) and it makes sense for scum to bid 1 for vig to get it if no one else bids 1, as another killing role should be top priority.

Vote yogsloth

So. A vote based on yogsloth's bid. Interesting. If he is scum, who's to say that he's not lying through his teeth about what he bid?

And if he's lying then he must be scum, town have no reason to lie about their bid. If he is scum and lying, I'd say he's chosen a very bad role and number to bid, because it seems highly suspicious to me (although, that being said, if I were scum and going to lie I'd probably have said I bid for the one role we already know somebody has bid for)

Also, just to clarify, the bid isn't the only reason for the vote. I've mentioned before the reasons I find him scummy, the bid stuff is just the icing on the cake for me.
On top of anything else at least two of his candidates for scum (me and JMich, not sure about Bookwyrm) are people who have called him out on things, so his putting them there seems very OMGUS.

And great. I'm on my laptop, but the PM's from CSPVG seem to have not carried over after the change -_-
@CSPVG Can you PM me and confirm what number I bid?

Well, while your conclusion is of course dead wrong, I actually think it might be a good idea to do a little analysis in this style. I’ve been thinking about it but have hesitated pretty much only due to not wanting to flush out the Doctor (if the Doc is even Town). The time might be right however, now that we’ve had so many claims.

Here’s what we have claimed:

JMich – no claim
yogsloth – vanilla, bid Vig #1
adaliabooks – vanilla, bid Tracker #6/8
Leonard03 – no claim
Bookwrym627 – no claim, implied not Tracker or Vig
HijacK – Commuter, bid #12
cristigale - no claim
HypersomniacLive – no claim

We’re 3/8 of the way to a mass role claim. With JOAT and Vengeful out of play, we’re left with Doctor, Tracker, Roleblocker, Vigilante, and Role Cop. There are exactly as many unclaimed roles as there are unclaimers. This leads me to believe it’s quite likely not every role is in play.

I have an idea- this will help answer some of adalia’s questions and, quite frankly, would just be fun as hell. Everybody who is unclaimed – you want to tell us what your number was, if you don’t want to put out your role? I think that would be very, very revealing. That way you can keep your precious role safe, but I am nearly 100% certain we could backtrack in later days to root out scum based just on that.

Whaddya say, folks?