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Posted April 27, 2022
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Lone_Scout: Thanks for your thoughts, pals!

To sum up a few things:

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bluethief: I can help you out if you need.
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Lone_Scout: -Thanks! Any help is welcome. However, distributing the work into many people without knowing the real needs of it might end up resulting in a bad organization. I will see what issues I need help with when we start the new edition and I'll count on you for it.
In any case, keep in mind that if you are collaborating in a task that involves the granting, distribution of keys or similar, you would have to refuse to request any keys or be eligible for nominations while you carry out that task. Otherwise, it would give you an unfair advantage over other users.

-The discord giveaway and the upcoming community giveaway are not excluding at all. They are different giveaways in different platforms. I advice you to continue dropping your non-GOG keys to finkleroy and a few GOG ones as well if you want. After all the work he's done for this community, I wish him the best success in this new stage of the giveaway, even if I like discord as much as a kick in the balls.

-Both Cavalary and finkleroy have provided a backup of the old rules, so we have a template to start with. Yay!

-The cooldowns idea was meant to provide a fairer distribution of the gifts, keeping them available for longer, giving more people the chance to get the games they wish and avoiding situations like users snatching any "leftovers" by the end of the month. However, the idea doesn't seem very popular and, giving it a second thought, keeping the old rule is enough to begin managing the giveaway, no need to add any extra work. So I'll keep a possible implementation of that rule change "on cooldown"

-The request rule will be: Only one request per post. If there's a temporary exception and the limit is increased for any reason I'll let everyone know.

-Banned users will remain banned for now.
Of course Lone, for whatever thing you need, I mean I understand that I have to renounce to the giveaway if I participate, but I have recived some game during this time that make me really happy and I want to give something more to the community, so that is not a problem for me. Also, I understand that of split the task, like in case you need me one can create and update the list of games and during the weekend I can evaluate the wishes and grants the keys, for example.
Posted April 27, 2022
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Geralt_of_Rivia: I thought about details on how to implement automation.
Thank you for the initiative and your time designing the web-service. Unfortunately, the majority of users, who have posted their opinion in this thread, do not support the idea of automation.
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Geralt_of_Rivia: gets the key mailed immediately. Everyone with a login will be able to see who picked which key and you consent to that when you participate. That is needed for accountability. Of course, only the GOG user names will be shown and of course I will also not give the e-mail addresses to anyone and they will only be used for mailing you the keys.
The application could simply grant keys by itself. There is no need to use email for this feature. ;)
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Geralt_of_Rivia: Please don't try to hack the web app. While nothing is fool proof or absolutely error free I can assure you that I know a bit about programming and web apps and it will be a tough nut to crack. Attempts at misuse will be logged and perma-bans will be handed out for them. So please don't be that guy.
I think, security testing would have been necessary. It is much better, when some honest user finds a vulnerability and reports it to developer. Than if an actual thief gets access to all keys in the database, because it was not properly tested.
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Lone_Scout: Using a separated web app isn't much different from migrating to discord, imho...
Our own web-app would have been developed by trusted members of the community and would not require a phone number to register an account. ;)
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Lone_Scout: If no one else volunteers for managing it, I'll offer to do it myself, if you don't mind.
Thanks for volunteering.) I'm fine with your candidacy and your latest version of the rules.
Post edited April 27, 2022 by AlexTerranova
Posted April 27, 2022
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Geralt_of_Rivia: Snip
Although I wouldn't use a external app for validation or key distribution, the idea of having a helper app to automate a few things can be useful. There might be some future in this :)
However, as we aren't expecting to manage thousands of keys and users at row, I think we'll be able to manage things with a spreadsheet. And for safety reasons, I prefer to keep things in local storages, off the web. But thanks for the idea and the offering!
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Ruvika: Of course Lone, for whatever thing you need, I mean I understand that I have to renounce to the giveaway if I participate, but I have recived some game during this time that make me really happy and I want to give something more to the community, so that is not a problem for me. Also, I understand that of split the task, like in case you need me one can create and update the list of games and during the weekend I can evaluate the wishes and grants the keys, for example.
Tracking and granting keys on weekends could be a good start. I'm usually quite inactive on the forums then. We'll talk about it, thanks!
Post edited April 27, 2022 by Lone_Scout
Posted April 27, 2022
I didn't really participate to this discussion, but I'm glad Lone_Scout is taking the mantle.
It probably won't mean much, but you have my full trust - if there's somebody who won't mess up, that's Lone_Scout.
Posted April 27, 2022
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Lone_Scout:
If you are the new torch bearer of the Community GA, you have my trust too !
Posted April 27, 2022
Thanks for volunteering Lone_Scout :-)
Post edited April 27, 2022 by maestroruffy
Posted April 27, 2022
First and foremost I'd like to clear up some misunderstandings. The web app I suggested writing was supposed to automate the most time-consuming aspect of managing a giveaway, namely the key distribution.

It was NOT supposed to take the giveaway '...off GOG...' and certainly isn't comparable to '...moving to Discord.' But unless GOG gives me the forum source, allows me to modifiy it at will and uploads my changes to their servers, I can't really integrate a giveaway system into the forum. And, frankly speaking, I don't see that happening.

The giveaway was supposed to be by the forum users and for the forum users. Active forum participation was supposed to be the main (well, actually only) criterium for getting access to the web app. Maybe I didn't stress that point well enough.

And there wasn't such a strong bias against automation when I first proposed the idea in post 79 otherwise I would have scrapped the idea earlier and not taken the time to think and write about details on what to automate.

On top of that, when I wrote my suggestion no one else had stepped up to volunteer doing the giveaway manually. Since Lone_Scout has stepped forward a web app is no longer required since I also have no objection in Lone_Scout running the giveaway.

But if no one had volunteered the only alternatives would have been automation or no community giveaway. And I would prefer automation to losing this great forum tradition.
Posted April 27, 2022
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Geralt_of_Rivia: First and foremost I'd like to clear up some misunderstandings. The web app I suggested writing was supposed to automate the most time-consuming aspect of managing a giveaway, namely the key distribution.
From my humble point of view, your solution is quite good as well and it has many advantages. I'm not against it and thank you for offering it. I do not know which one is better, if your web application, or Lone_Scout, or if we could find a solution in between.
Posted April 27, 2022
Chiming in to say that you got my complete trust too, Lone_Scout. :) I haven't been very vocal because I did not feel like I had any constructive solutions to bring to the table, but I've been following this thread with great interest.

I'm very pleased with how things seem to be progressing thus far. :) If I may, I feel compelled to say that I agree with Cavalary's dislike of the "Cooldowns" system. The intent is good, but I agree that it will only burden your workload (by a lot too, I fear). It costs time to track individual timers, don't you think? Best to keep things as smooth as possible and not burn yourself out. ;)
Posted April 28, 2022
Thank you for volunteering, Lone_Scout!
Posted April 28, 2022
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Lone_Scout: * snip *
All the best for the journey that now begins, Lone_Scout, for your newest role in the Great Old Gogmmunity ^^/
Posted April 28, 2022
I don't like the cooldown rule, sometimes there is no key you are intersted in at the begining of the month but during the month a game you want may appear on the list you request it and you are stuck until the end of the next month to request a new game even if new ones come at the begining of the next month. But if you manage the giveaway, it's fine, you make your rules and we will follow them.
Posted April 28, 2022
Congrats and thanks to Lone_Scout for taking up the reins.

Two thoughts I don't think anyone has commented on:

1) the obvious - whenever you launch the new thread you'll presumably want to reserve 3-5 posts.
2) less obvious - you/we may want to think about renaming it. It will now get the [Giveaway] tag presumably in any case that will drive most of the fuzzy traffic, so perhaps a rename won't help anything.

But just for the sake of argument, something like "GoG Forum Community Monthly Shindig"?
Post edited April 28, 2022 by bler144
Posted April 28, 2022
Thank you Lone_Scout for continuing this giveaway, using your time and effort for this great community, you have every confidence that it will work as well or better than before!. ^_^
Posted April 28, 2022
Being fairly recent to PC gaming and to GoG, the whirlwind of change on here lately is .. windy.
Nice to see that it's just changing, not dying off. Thank you, Lone_Scout, for offering to run the next iteration. :)
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