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Posted 4 days ago
Woah. I don't know what happened between Ben dming with Se7en (which Se7en leaked) and the eventual ban, but Se7en ultimately revealed their true nature. Over video games no less. All I can say is.. yikes! No idea what they thought that nasty, childish breakdown was gonna do. From getting banned from the Giveaway to straight up breaking the GOG's Code of Conduct. What about SultanOfSuave, are they in okay standing with the Giveaway?

Going forward, it feels like there's an implied precedent being set here. I mean.. again, Se7en showed who they really are (the whole he was "owning the libs" drivel gave me a chuckle btw) but as far as the rules are concerned, it didn't happen on here. Well, it did later on but that was post-ban. Ben is the ultimate arbitrator here so his word is final but I can't imagine everyone being satisfied with that answer. But meh, maybe they don't need to be.
Posted 3 days ago
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Thank you BenKii. I'm sorry it had to come to this but I'm hoping Se7en has time to reflect. Peace be with you
Posted 3 days ago
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Mixcoatli: Going forward, it feels like there's an implied precedent being set here. I mean.. again, Se7en showed who they really are (the whole he was "owning the libs" drivel gave me a chuckle btw) but as far as the rules are concerned, it didn't happen on here. Well, it did later on but that was post-ban. Ben is the ultimate arbitrator here so his word is final but I can't imagine everyone being satisfied with that answer. But meh, maybe they don't need to be.
Yes, there are some concerns about a precedent, but the reaction definitely proves the decision to have been correct, and with the proof coming basically within moments, there's no room for questioning. Plus that we are talking about someone who was clearly here for free games and pressing the matter to a level that at least matched the worst examples I can think of at the moment. Admittedly, said examples have been greenlighted since, one of them after a previous ban being lifted, but at the moment I for one considered the demanding attitude enough to warrant at least a cooloff period, as in not even allow daggered requests for a couple of months and then start over, redo the eligibility judgement based on what's posted from that point forward.
But, again, that's no longer relevant now as the permaban is 100% justified.
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Mixcoatli: What about SultanOfSuave, are they in okay standing with the Giveaway?
That "dirty rat" comment is an eyebrow-raising "yellow card" moment imho, but the warning has been given and it was just a warning, so it seems like it, and probably fair for the moment from where I'm standing.
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Posted 3 days ago
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Mixcoatli: What about SultanOfSuave, are they in okay standing with the Giveaway?
In my opinion, I consider that comment very infortunate but he is always very considerate, even in polarizing/controversial threads, from what I've saw in the past year or so when he started posting or changed his name.


BTW, never interacted directly as far as I remember but I like the nickname and the inclusion of a portuguese word (Suave means smooth/soft).
Posted 3 days ago
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Wow, look who finally decided to remove his mask. That was quite the transformation.

He would have cracked sooner or later though. No one who's just pretending can keep it up forever.

Mixcoatli, you can certainly say he broke the impersonator rule. I don't know how that rule is supposed to be interpreted, but he certainly impersonated something.

If you need some kind of moral out of this, it should probably be something like: Don't put on a fake personality just so you can exploit people.
Or maybe even better: Don't just pretend to be nice to get free stuff, try to just be nice instead. It actually takes less effort.

I saw a post in his history where someone on the forum over there was trying to get help getting their microphone to work in a game. His answer? "Plug your mouth into the PC and speak." What's the point of that? Why bother to say something at all?

Noticed in the chat he posted that he accused us of trying to get him "canceled". (Who talks like that by the way?)
Most of his post history has been deleted now, so it looks more like he's been "canceling" himself.

I'm not at all a part of the so-called "cancel culture". Sure, people should have consequences for their actions, but I'm more than capable of separating art from artist. How else would I be able to enjoy Lovecraft's works? He wasn't exactly a paragon of humanity.
If you weed out all the drunks and syphilitic enjoyers of ladies of the night, you won't be left with many of the classical authors or artists either.

Anyway, this is probably the first time he's ever had to experience any consequences for his actions while hiding behind a computer screen. I was going to say I hope he'll learn something from it, but looking at what was posted in the other thread makes it hard to believe.

Have to admit I laughed pretty hard when I saw he'd been back and edited out the word gay from his post. That's where the line went? That's what made it too much, the rest was fine?

Think I'll pass on the r*pe. Thanks though.
Posted 3 days ago
Just this. Also, it's good to search for the whole scene, how it happened, if you haven't seen it.
Posted 3 days ago
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After reporting Se7en_Bullets recent abhorrent comments to the GOG staff, he has now been permanently banned from the forum and said comments removed. It's sad to see this kind of event play out like this but it's for the best.

As for any other bans, I don't see the need for it as long people continue to respect one another and don't go down the path Se7en_Bullets traveled.
Posted 3 days ago
Can we please remove the self-vetting, and re-instate the host being the one doing the checks?
Posted 3 days ago
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ThatGuyWithTheThing: Can we please remove the self-vetting, and re-instate the host being the one doing the checks?
That's just a way to help BenKii find posts in case they don't show up on search, or just to save time with the search, it's still his call whether the linked posts result in being eligible or not.
Posted 3 days ago
I hope this is the last I have to post about the matter, but his public profile has gone through quite the roller coaster today.

First there was more insulting, hateful comments towards both BenKii, myself, and all Community Giveaway members.

Then he went through a full-on "All work and no play makes Jack a dull boy" phase.

And now it's back to apologizing and pleading, in fear of losing access to his account altogether.

"It's just a misunderstanding"
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Posted 3 days ago
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Cavalary: That's just a way to help BenKii find posts in case they don't show up on search, or just to save time with the search, it's still his call whether the linked posts result in being eligible or not.
I'm not disputing that. I would, however, like to underline the fact that this change has resulted in low effort threads or posts by people who otherwise only show up during giveaways. These threads are just a way of reaching their quota. This has been especially true in the case of the recently perma-banned user.

To clarify:
If the host, or a helper (yes, I'm volunteering), take that role, then most freeloaders would be oblivious of their posts. By telling users to send in proof, they can create the proof in order to produce it as evidence.

*disingenuous proof
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(ø,ø):
People can see his profile for themselves, posting pictures seems like a victory lap. Those who act and react the way Se7en_Bullets did have deeper problems and deserve pity for the issues they no doubt experience in rl. Such outbursts deserve the swift and just action of the moderating team so the rest of us can move on. As for SultanOfSuave, despite the heated language it's clear from their posts their intention and manner was sincere. I hope they extend an apology to you and that be the end of the matter.
Posted 3 days ago
I just wanted to thank BenKii for his work.I have not follow the problem, so I cannot give my opinion about it, but I suppose that it was time-consuming and it was not pleasant. It seems that BenKii tried to give an opportunity, and I would also like to thank BenKii for having this positive behaviour to new members. People can change, if you give them the chance
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Stiffkittin: People can see his profile for themselves, posting pictures seems like a victory lap. Those who act and react the way Se7en_Bullets did have deeper problems and deserve pity for the issues they no doubt experience in rl. Such outbursts deserve the swift and just action of the moderating team so the rest of us can move on. As for SultanOfSuave, despite the heated language it's clear from their posts their intention and manner was sincere. I hope they extend an apology to you and that be the end of the matter.
If people see the apologies currently posted on the page, I think they should see what was posted earlier the exact same day too, not to be fooled again. Thank you for your input though.
Posted Yesterday
My 2 cents reg recent situation:
( there's no TLDR, if you don't like reading then don't read it, don't cry for a TLDR as I won't provide it :P )

A line has to be drawn somewhere - where is entirely up to the giveaway administrator of given giveaway edition.
I know for a fact in the past editions some administrators had supremely mind-bogglingly permissive approach to this, with results you could imagine.
I also understand that the current admin, BenKii, wants to keep positive attitude and a welcoming community - however there are lines to not cross, and there's only so much "benefit of a doubt" one can give...
I personally have disagreed with some of BenKii's decisions in the past and would personally react more harshly and directly in some cases...

So BenKii - I severely disagree with this:
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BenKii: I was not going to hold that against him since he did that on another forum. Only to keep it in mind if I saw that kind of activity here.
But I am HAPPY you course-corrected afterwards ^__^

And for those with "but but, it's another forum, gah!" attitude, let me make an overexaggerated ( but real, how ironic ) example:

in a " "hypothetical scenario" " you have somebody, let's call them "person Z" for the sake of example.
Person Z is a known public figure with vastly controversial behaviours well documented in public on "various platforms", that includes, but is not limited to, publicly taking credit for other people's work.
The person Z then goes to a public event that is hugely publicized, and with several cameras and probably at least a bunch of phones pointed at them, then person Z makes a straight out, virtually perfect spot on, N A Z I salute.
Meanwhile ( let's say ) person Z has a GOG account, and as far as public records go, has perfect non-rude forum activity - spotless, nothing to lie eye on or question in any way.
Person Z then goes to this giveaway, they are eligible forum-activity-wise, and they request a game.
What happens next?

Would you say person Z is "eligible"?
I know people with " "common sense" " ( a dying virtue ) would respond with "NO".
But reality is often more dissappointing than fiction so some people would unorinically respond "yes".

I wonder where does the shame, logic and common sense end and where does raging entitlement, extreme virtue signaling, "rules for thee but not for me", double standards and general whataboutism start...

If you can CONFIRM without ANY SHADOW OF A DOUBT that "this account on GOG" belongs to "this user on other forum", at what point do you stop giving the benefit of a doubt and instead you stop being "merciful and forgiving" and set a foot down?

This has been a recurring discussion in THIS forum thread actually...
It's been brought up at least few times before...

I hope this ban DOES set a precedent...
It's good to have a gifting spirit and be all "love and peace" ( https://media.tenor.com/SYrulq8HdjUAAAAM/anime-vash.gif ) but everything has a limit and there's only so much abuse one can take...












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(ø,ø): He would have cracked sooner or later though. No one who's just pretending can keep it up forever.
I personally had a misfortune of finding out in practise some people can reliably keep on a "mask" for actual YEARS before they reveal themselves... but alas...


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(ø,ø): If you need some kind of moral out of this, it should probably be something like: Don't put on a fake personality just so you can exploit people.
Or maybe even better: Don't just pretend to be nice to get free stuff, try to just be nice instead. It actually takes less effort.
Never underestimate people's iron willpower to act petty...

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(ø,ø): Most of his post history has been deleted now, so it looks more like he's been "canceling" himself.
No, that's just typical damage control "try to run away before things blow in my face, and let's cover up the tracks, internet will forget in few weeks tops" tactics...
It could also be GOG forum moderation using up their one of 10 total "work permits" for the year and graciously removing evidence for said individual in act of " "moderation" " /s
Which ( either way ) is why it's important to archive pages and keep evidence...

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Cavalary: pressing the matter to a level that at least matched the worst examples I can think of at the moment. Admittedly, said examples have been greenlighted since, one of them after a previous ban being lifted
Are you referring to an extremely xenophobic ( on multiple platforms! ) individual calling for deaths of all citizens of an entire nation?

Or are you referring to another account "definitely not an alt", with a "definitely not an open TAUNT of lack of GOG moderation" kind of nickname and a straight-outta-porno profile avatar?
:D

Neither of who are permanently banned from this giveaway you say?
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