After running head first into teams that've played multiple seasons, I think we should reset the league every season. I've personally played a new team every season, and have run into that feeling of "I can't do anything" when facing a team far higher level then I am. Could be whining on my part, but that's my feeling. I think every coach being forced to make a new team every season (and maybe not allowed to play the same race every season) would greatly enhance the enjoyment and variety of the league.

I also think we should significantly lower turn times. The Polaris Speedbowl has hit home with me, and I think a reduction in turn time would not only keep playing a game fast moving, but significantly cut down on the time investment. I'm not saying we do 40 second turns like the Speedbowl does, but I think reducing the timer by a minute or two would help quite a bit. You're looking at a thirty two minute reduction in game length if you just reduce it by two. Sixteen if you go for one minute.

The game itself only allows turns of 4 minutes, 2 minutes or 40 seconds which means we cannot choose 3 minutes turns.
The problem with turns of 2 minutes (and shorter) is that teams like vampires, goblins, woodelves etc. that need to complete a lot of different actions each turn become VERY hard to play.
In general bashing teams cope better with shorter turns than agility teams and seeing that agility teams are at a disadvantage anyway (due to BB rules) I'm not sure that shorter turns are the way to go.
That said I'm not completely opposed to 2 minute turns if that's what many people want but we should keep in mind that we'll most likely be a lot more bashy league then (I at least wouldn't play Underworld then).

I totally understand that feeling and I don't think about it as whining at all. But:
I don't think that would be such a great idea.

Let's say, we do that maybe 4 times. Than all coaches have round about 5 teams who aren't allowed to play in GOG Weekly any more. I think that would be a waste, because many teams really need at least two seasons for bringing up there whole potential. Some need even more.

I guess now and than a league-reset should be enough. Maybe it would be better if we divide the two divisions like one with only new teams and one with only remaining teams. I know, you like the mix-up, but it would be the only way to minimize that "frustration"-factor.

Wait, I thought almost all agility teams are top tier, I wouldn't really say they are disadvantaged.

That depends on the format.

In short table top tournaments with no-SPP (no SPP are given out, instead there are skills per day) and no-CAS rule (meaning that no CAS worse than badly hurt exists), this is tier 1 of 3 (going by the current Eurobowl rules):
Amazon, Chaos Dwarf, Dark Elf, Dwarf, Lizardmen, Necromantic, Norse, Orc, Skaven, Undead, Wood Elf
(Necromantic is arguable though, they are often seen as a tier 1.5 team.)

In longer leagues like ours and with normal CAS rules, agility teams suffer.
They loose players and as their players are pretty expensive they often have trouble replacing them. Constantly loosing players also means that they have trouble keeping the SPP/level-ups they have achieved. In addition to that, all agility actions like passing are generally more "risky", in terms of risking a turn-over, than blocking.
And then comes the problem of dodge-tackle and block-wrestle, and the power of guard, but I think I talked about that last season too much already.

this is surely true . but you need to keep in mind that Agi Teams level faster ...

If i see all those 4:0 games in the league i get wet eyes ... thats 12 SSP for TD .. Bashing teams may also score a TD but for the most ssp they need to injure opponents ..

I would agree that playing an agi Team in a long League might be (even) more frustrating ..
.. but i dont thinkt the overall SSP of the Teams will differ so much ...

I, myself would not like a Reset .. yes it was hard to play against all those experienced Teams with my fresh Orcs .. but im happy i got some Levelups ... and i´m looking forward to have a quite advanced team in the next season .. it would be sad if i had to start over again .. Orcs need a little warm up to be fun in my eyes ...

Highland Haunters vs. Jollys Likedeeler starts now

I think it also depends on how competitive you want the league to be, higher value teams have a bigger shot at winning in general (2/3 skills are better than some random inducement). But personally i like playing against different teams and with tv differences you see more differences in the teams. But i know it wont help my chances to reach the top of the division. So i dont mind seeing more leveled up teams and i know its fun to see your team come together slowly over a tournament and you want to keep on playing them. So i dont mind higher level teams to continue, perhaps put a 2 season max on them :P
But if you want everyone to have a good shot at winning the league a fresh league will work better. Everyone will start out in a similar situation and can try to make the best of it.

So far im enjoying the season, where most teams i played felt like they were in better shape than my team :), but i think it would be a bit more fun with less reused teams. Feels like a lot are using them this season compared to the previous one, but could be just a feeling because im losing more :).

Personally I just don't understand why we are _again_ talking about a reset, and apparently will _again_ have a vote.

This is always going to be a divisive topic. There will always be coaches who want to start new teams (and for whom it would always be better if everyone else did so too). There will also always be coaches whose teams are just coming into shape, and/or who have grown attached to their players. I find it extremely unlikely that this discussion will ever find a striking majority for either alternative - all it does it putting the focus away from the things that are fun (i.e., playing the game) and towards a discussion that will always leave some coaches sad.

Why can't we just play Blood Bowl? Do we really need to have this silly "I want a reset / I weant to play on with my team" discussion each season? I was happy when it finally ended last time, did it really have to be revived?

I should be sleeping already. Ill just say few words quickly.

Personally i like variance, challenge, having fun and not forcing others.

Thats if for this evening (2:48AM here ;)

Just got home from work, and OH MY. Seems we have a discussion here. I'll add my own two cents, starting from the top and working my way down the forum. Slight wall of text incoming:

I believe that some sort of system must be in place to encourage a rotation of teams. I don't think an annual poll is the proper answer, as there will always be dissent from those that feel like they're just starting to actually get a team built but they ran out of games. There will also always be players that get shafted with bad luck that want a reset because the higher TV teams just destroy them. That is just the nature of the beast that is blood bowl.

So here is my proposition: Every fourth season, have a team reset. That would give teams a maximum of three seasons to be built and possibly reach the full potential the coach wants. It would eliminate the need for these polls every season and give coaches a more defined length of time to decide if they want to keep their team or not. After the team reset, if someone were to desire to bring back a team the following season, they could, as long as that team weren't used elsewhere.

The idea of forcing someone to be a different team each season, and a different race, is something I can't agree with. This is a game. Forcing someone to do something that isn't fun is most likely going to get more people to just leave the league, and as we've kinda lost more people this season than I'd care to admit... well, you see my point.

Turn times. I'd be okay with two minute or even 50 second turns, but I already play fast. I know there are some players in this league that are HIGHLY analytical and practically need the entire turn just to think out their move. So I feel it's unfair for me to ask them to play faster.

So, Psyringe, I'm in your boat. While I do believe that a system involving resets is necessary to make everyone happy, debating them season by season is bad form, as everyones opinion will change based on how their season is going.

So that's my two cents. Feel free to agree, disagree, or whatever you want in-between.

oh going to watch :]

and would have to claim admin win:(, my opponent (Anigan) is not playing this season anymore

Vamps win 2-1 and my computer crashed rougly 20 seconds after the match finished. lol, sorry Ghiro :D

Ill up the replay soon to google drive.

Tough snotties, i really hate snotties and goblins. they make me want to play only norse or dwarfs.. we'll, neither is on my short list of possible teams though.

Well played!

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