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cheongzewei: Deal.
Right, now what do I do about BB? Can i close it now?
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Rodzaju: This whole "I won't accept any solution unless I get my injured players back" leaves a really bad taste in my mouth.
It is almost out & out cheating.
If this is what this league is becoming, I will not be back for season 3.
I'm not sure if I understand what's going on. If you had decided to abandon after the game froze, Rod, he would have had to keep his injured players, right?
The hell it is.

You'll get another shot at hurting all of them all over again.

How the hell would I know shadowing is bugged this horribly? I enabled ask because I wanted better control on where my catcher would possibly go.

That you are prioritizing an assured level 2 saurus over a 2-0 fix win, is more sour then that.

I'm fine with getting my players hurt, but damn it, give me losing money as well. (lol)

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Rodzaju: This whole "I won't accept any solution unless I get my injured players back" leaves a really bad taste in my mouth.
It is almost out & out cheating.
If this is what this league is becoming, I will not be back for season 3.
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Piranjade: I'm not sure if I understand what's going on. If you had decided to abandon after the game froze, Rod, he would have had to keep his injured players, right?
Lol, Rod will lose the game then. Anyway we've agreed to a replay.
Post edited September 10, 2013 by cheongzewei
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cheongzewei: Deal.
Right, now what do I do about BB? Can i close it now?
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Rodzaju: This whole "I won't accept any solution unless I get my injured players back" leaves a really bad taste in my mouth.
It is almost out & out cheating.
If this is what this league is becoming, I will not be back for season 3.
Sorry - ive been not really following this 100%, freezer is about to explode and ive been trying to save our food while i still can (for starters by eating the frozen pizza).

Ill just go through this once more to make certain - correct me if i am wrong:

Game got stuck when cheongzewei's player got hurt and youve been sitting it since then?

neither wants to quit and give the other autowin?

Cheongzewei offered 2-0 admin set (=reset match, set score, healed players) or rematch?

Rod wants (atleast for starters) cheongzewei to quit => basically grant him the autowin result as in internet interrupted case?

Did i missundertand anything?
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iippo: small edit
Rod didn't offer a solution. I started proposing and he disagreed.
Post edited September 10, 2013 by cheongzewei
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Rodzaju: This whole "I won't accept any solution unless I get my injured players back" leaves a really bad taste in my mouth.
It is almost out & out cheating.
If this is what this league is becoming, I will not be back for season 3.
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iippo: Sorry - ive been not really following this 100%, freezer is about to explode and ive been trying to save our food while i still can (for starters by eating the frozen pizza).

Ill just go through this once more to make certain - correct me if i am wrong:

Game got stuck when cheongzewei's player got hurt and youve been sitting it since then?

neither wants to quit and give the other autowin?

Cheongzewei offered 2-0 admin set (=reset match, set score, healed players) or rematch?

Rod wants (atleast for starters) cheongzewei to quit => basically grant him the autowin result as in internet interrupted case?

Did i missundertand anything?
Given the state of the game & the fact that Cheong had already offered me an admin win (4-0) I think the 2-0 disconnect win was a fair & reasonable solution.
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Post edited September 10, 2013 by Rodzaju
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Rodzaju: This whole "I won't accept any solution unless I get my injured players back" leaves a really bad taste in my mouth.
It is almost out & out cheating.
If this is what this league is becoming, I will not be back for season 3.
How about sleeping a night over it and then perhaps re-assess the situation?

I mean, I might be missing something here, and I totally understand your frustration since it apparently seemed like a game would work for you in the way you expected, but ... cheongzewei eally offered several solutions (admin'ed loss, replay, spinning coin, even the jokingly thrown in halfling brawl). On the other side, forcing an opponent into a silly "who drops connection first" fight after he already offered you a victory looks way more stubborn to me, and makes we wonder whether you really "fit" into this league. I mean, most of the players aren't even fouling, and even stalling is considered bad by some, and you value a few SPP so highly that you don't even accept a victory offer? And prefer to go into a silly wait-the-other-one-out battle instead?

I don't know you and I won't judge you, but I really can't see the merit in that.

In any case, I'm glad that a rematch could be arranged. It would really have been a shame if the outcome of the battle of this divison's two best teams were to be determined by technicalities. Bashing, passing, fouling, swearing, having to replay because the damn game has another bug - all okay, but letting technicalities decide a match? That's totally not Blood Bowl.
Wait are you both still in the game? Didn't you agree to play it again?
Post edited September 10, 2013 by WBGhiro
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Rodzaju: Given the state of the game & the fact that Cheong had already offered me an admin win (4-0) I think the 2-0 disconnect win was a fair & reasonable solution.
I'm not sure about that. It could be seen as you taking all the positives out of a frozen game while he takes all the negatives.
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Rodzaju: This whole "I won't accept any solution unless I get my injured players back" leaves a really bad taste in my mouth.
It is almost out & out cheating.
If this is what this league is becoming, I will not be back for season 3.
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Psyringe: How about sleeping a night over it and then perhaps re-assess the situation?

I mean, I might be missing something here, and I totally understand your frustration since it apparently seemed like a game would work for you in the way you expected, but ... cheongzewei eally offered several solutions (admin'ed loss, replay, spinning coin, even the jokingly thrown in halfling brawl). On the other side, forcing an opponent into a silly "who drops connection first" fight after he already offered you a victory looks way more stubborn to me, and makes we wonder whether you really "fit" into this league. I mean, most of the players aren't even fouling, and even stalling is considered bad by some, and you value a few SPP so highly that you don't even accept a victory offer? And prefer to go into a silly wait-the-other-one-out battle instead?
And every solution he offered would have given him his injured players back.
This is the bit that balks & makes it feel like cheating.
Custodians vs. Systematic Chaos will start in any minute.
I offered 4-0 here in forums after i felt this entirely is ridiculous. (4 touch down = 12 spp, rod earned 11 in our game so far)

No, we aren't in game because I end tasked BB 10 minutes ago as of posting, after seeing rod's post after me asking tiredly about closing blood bowl.

but seriously, a replay or a 2-0 admin win, just decide. I'm good with either.
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Rodzaju: -snip-
..well i would not start going on the line that we start offering the opponent some random number of goals, even if the idea is to balance out "lost SPP".

Atleast to me the core idea is to make rules and stick to them - even if and eventually when that leads to result that will suck for one, another or both players. BB is BB. Even with bugs.

My first instinct would be to follow the Rule #1:

"1. In case one of the players gets disconnected and the game cannot be continued:
Rematch is encouraged. Having decided on rematch time, the players inform league admins to reset the match score. If a rematch cannot be arranged in time, the autowin result will stand. "

The game sure cant be continued.

However, as the game wasnt clearly interrupted by internet connection of one player - i would also be inclined to just make it draw.

Its unfortunate that Piran and Zeta arent around , i would have liked to discuss this with them.

Is there some result for the match atm or still ongoing?
Post edited September 10, 2013 by iippo
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iippo: .

Its unfortunate that Piran and Zeta arent around , i would have liked to discuss this with them.
I'm here. I catch you on Steam.
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Rodzaju: And every solution he offered would have given him his injured players back.
This is the bit that balks & makes it feel like cheating.
I seriously can't understand why it is so important for you that another player keeps a disadvantage.

I mean, as far as I have experienced it so far, sthe spirit in this league is "sorry that I killed your player" - practically every opponent who killed one of my players said that. Piran said that. Vitek said that. I can't recall against whom I lost the others. I remember that Vitek had a bad conscience after the match against me bacause - as he said - he "never maimed another time so much", and I reassured him that I'm taking it with a laugh because it's Blood Bowl.

And you are making an issue out of another player not keeping his injuries. I'm sorry, I just don't understand it.
Post edited September 10, 2013 by Psyringe
Match has ended (<I ended tasked it) The score was 1-0 in Rod's favor.
I would like to say that we've agreed to a Rematch time but...

It's up to Rod.