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General discussionGet your copy of the Daggerfall Unity - GOG Cut(242 posts)(242 posts)
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Posted June 15, 2022
Play a reimagined version of the all-time RPG classic from The Elder Scrolls series. Daggerfall Unity – GOG Cut brings this amazing experience to modern gamers. It has been made possible, thanks to the efforts of the GamerZakh, a gaming content creator with a love for classics.

The GOG Cut of Daggerfall Unity doesn’t require any special actions on your behalf. All you have to do is download the game and simply launch it. Thanks to settings and mods that were selected by GamerZakh you can explore the rich world of Daggerfall with enhanced visuals and gameplay.
Posted June 16, 2022
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lupineshadow: And if some of the mod developers disagree, and explicitly revoke permission...what then? (as they have done)

What if two months later, some other mod developers also decide they will revoke permission, as is their right?
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Gudadantza: After giving permission? Then it would be an example of infantilism, and lack of credibility and seriousness
Says you who posts on an internet forum, compared to someone who has created something in their own time without payment and expects non-commercial use only.
Post edited June 16, 2022 by lupineshadow
Posted June 16, 2022
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lupineshadow: And if some of the mod developers disagree, and explicitly revoke permission...what then? (as they have done)

What if two months later, some other mod developers also decide they will revoke permission, as is their right?
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Gudadantza: After giving permission? Then it would be an example of infantilism, and lack of credibility and seriousness
How exactly? Because you think that or do you have experience in this field?
Posted June 16, 2022
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tfishell: Apparently some modders are not happy about their mods being included?

https://forums.dfworkshop.net/viewtopic.php?p=61801#p61801

I wonder how long the GOG store page will stay up.
Kentucky Fried Christ, GOG...sometimes I wonder if you're not actually trying to hemorrhage respect and credibility.

Leaving aside the question of whether or not they needed to bother soliciting permission from the individual mod-makers -- the fact is that they did send out such messages to the majority of them. Why, then, could GOG not just wait until they'd actually gotten responses back from everyone? Was getting the pack out a day or two sooner worth the bad feeling and damning reviews? STOP FAILING TO LEARN FROM YOUR (and others') MISTAKES! Reputation is capital -- you need to quit squandering it. [/rant]

All that off my chest, this was a good idea at its core. I've never heard of this GamerZakh before (in fact, I first thought it might be a different YouTuber with "Zakh" in his name who seems to've been doing Daggerfall-related videos/streams for years), but if he can get more people to try Daggerfall -- with or without the Unity port -- then cool. You just need to learn to coordinate these things better.
Post edited June 16, 2022 by HunchBluntley
Posted June 16, 2022
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Gudadantza: After giving permission? Then it would be an example of infantilism, and lack of credibility and seriousness
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lupineshadow: Says you who posts on an internet forum, compared to someone who has created something in their own time without payment and expects non-commercial use only.
Sorry but I don't know what you mean or what are you trying to achieve with that unrelated response
Post edited June 16, 2022 by Gudadantza
Posted June 16, 2022
Same here, no classic Daggerfall in my account anymore...
Posted June 16, 2022
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nightcraw1er.488: Thinking more on the whole question of these “mega mods”, as this has come up a lot over the years. Some questions spring to mind. Who is actually legally responsible for this, if the package trashes my machine is it GOG, Bethesda, this YouTuber, or the modders?
Likewise who provides support, updates and such like, GOG support is virtually non existant for fixed games already? What happens if extra mods are added, or removed, again does GOG support that?
Also would be interesting to see the contract between Bethesda and gog, normally you would expect clauses about distributing modified copies etc. just wondering how it would go if the was a flood of posts over there about a copy not from Bethesda?
It’s really a very grey area. GOG would have been far better off providing a guide pointing to all the components and letting users do it themselves. It’s also more beneficial for the users who can pick and choose. I suppose this was also done to pamper the “I want it without having to do anything” crew who only favour convinience.
lol :D are you for real? :D
Posted June 16, 2022
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lupineshadow: And if some of the mod developers disagree, and explicitly revoke permission...what then? (as they have done)

What if two months later, some other mod developers also decide they will revoke permission, as is their right?
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Gudadantza: After giving permission? Then it would be an example of infantilism, and lack of credibility and seriousness
One of my mods is in this pre-pack, and I was given no message whatsoever on my numerous avenues to contact me. I did not give permission for GOG to release my mod in this, they did not ask if they could. So what's the defense there besides "lol it's free though why do you care?"
Posted June 16, 2022
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Gudadantza: After giving permission? Then it would be an example of infantilism, and lack of credibility and seriousness
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magicono: One of my mods is in this pre-pack, and I was given no message whatsoever on my numerous avenues to contact me. I did not give permission for GOG to release my mod in this, they did not ask if they could. So what's the defense there besides "lol it's free though why do you care?"
Are you telling me that some received the mail and not others?
Well in that case contact GOG and say explicity you do not want your mod in the pack. I guess It shouldn't be any problem. I perceive this pack as something that will be changed, reduced, modified or updated in the future.
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Gudadantza: After giving permission? Then it would be an example of infantilism, and lack of credibility and seriousness
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magicono: One of my mods is in this pre-pack, and I was given no message whatsoever on my numerous avenues to contact me. I did not give permission for GOG to release my mod in this, they did not ask if they could. So what's the defense there besides "lol it's free though why do you care?"
Pretty much what happens when people give anything out for free. You no longer hold control over it. Not that it shouldnt matter....it just doesnt in reality. Not being sarcastic either.
Posted June 16, 2022
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magicono: One of my mods is in this pre-pack, and I was given no message whatsoever on my numerous avenues to contact me. I did not give permission for GOG to release my mod in this, they did not ask if they could. So what's the defense there besides "lol it's free though why do you care?"
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Gudadantza: Are you telling me that some received the mail and not others?
Well in that case contact GOG and say explicity you do not want your mod in the pack. I guess It shouldn't be any problem. I perceive this pack as something that will be changed, reduced, modified or updated in the future.
Yes, it has been confirmed by multiple other modders on this list that some were contacted, other were not contacted at all. Some that were contacted got it weeks ahead of time, other literally the day before this release or hours before. In my case I was not contacted at all and still have not been.
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Gudadantza: Are you telling me that some received the mail and not others?
Well in that case contact GOG and say explicity you do not want your mod in the pack. I guess It shouldn't be any problem. I perceive this pack as something that will be changed, reduced, modified or updated in the future.
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magicono: Yes, it has been confirmed by multiple other modders on this list that some were contacted, other were not contacted at all. Some that were contacted got it weeks ahead of time, other literally the day before this release or hours before. In my case I was not contacted at all and still have not been.
Which mod is that? do you have it availanle in the Nexus? I must understand that you are magicono43 there?

EDIT: Rest Warning if Unwell Maybe?
Post edited June 16, 2022 by Gudadantza
Posted June 16, 2022
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magicono: One of my mods is in this pre-pack, and I was given no message whatsoever on my numerous avenues to contact me. I did not give permission for GOG to release my mod in this, they did not ask if they could. So what's the defense there besides "lol it's free though why do you care?"
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ChuckBeaver: Pretty much what happens when people give anything out for free. You no longer hold control over it. Not that it shouldnt matter....it just doesnt in reality. Not being sarcastic either.
If a party like GOG is selling it for profit and does so without permission no matter the cost of the product, that party is liable for a suit.

It does matter.
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magicono: Yes, it has been confirmed by multiple other modders on this list that some were contacted, other were not contacted at all. Some that were contacted got it weeks ahead of time, other literally the day before this release or hours before. In my case I was not contacted at all and still have not been.
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Gudadantza: Which mod is that? do you have it availanle in the Nexus? I must understand that you are magicono43 there?

EDIT: Rest Warning if Unwell Maybe?
Yep, it's "Rest Warning If Unwell" mod, one of my smaller ones, but at this point out of principle I don't want it to be associated with this GOG Cut in anyway.
Posted June 16, 2022
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Generally speaking. The permission is given by the fact, that when anyone gives something away for free. So long as the copies are also free (as is what gog is doing). They can do this without asking, because the permission is implied by giving X away for free.

Another way of putting it. If you cared in the first place, you would not have given it away for free. Besides which, usually this applies under some form of Creative Commons. Just explaining the short version.
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ChuckBeaver: Pretty much what happens when people give anything out for free. You no longer hold control over it. Not that it shouldnt matter....it just doesnt in reality. Not being sarcastic either.
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TurdFerguson87: If a party like GOG is selling it for profit and does so without permission no matter the cost of the product, that party is liable for a suit.

It does matter.
It is freely distributed. Moot point, is moot....
Post edited June 16, 2022 by ChuckBeaver
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Gudadantza: Which mod is that? do you have it availanle in the Nexus? I must understand that you are magicono43 there?

EDIT: Rest Warning if Unwell Maybe?
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magicono: Yep, it's "Rest Warning If Unwell" mod, one of my smaller ones, but at this point out of principle I don't want it to be associated with this GOG Cut in anyway.
Because you didn't received the email? All is pointing to an oversight, an error.

Well who knows, maybe they hate you :D. Just joking, sorry ;)
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