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zeogold: Most people, if they're already gaming here, aren't going to want the Steam version of that game since the DRM-free copy is typically considered the more preferable one to those who know what DRM is and understand the benefits of DRM-free games.
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burkjon: I'm one of those people who doesn't understand the benefit of DRM-free games. I back up many of my Steam games and play offline occasionally. You're more likely to lose your games library from a switch from X86 to ARM than you are from Valve going out of business. And if that were ever to happen, there would without a shadow of a doubt be some sort of migratory path. But yeah, your GOG library is also in danger of being lost to advances in technology, don't be naïve.

(also, installing games into Windows through individual installers feel positively archaic now)

Getting off-topic. I don't think GOG would be seen as a reseller, since there is a time window for redeeming the games, and there are only a handful of games at any given time. I would love to see it, but I'm not getting my hopes up.
I don't support any particular company. I do however have real issue with the topic of ownership. True, the world is moving towards a state where nobody but the companies own anything - TV, Music, Games, Films are all being streamed or tightly controlled, and this is the way companies want to go, to have full control - understandable as they want to make money.

Me as a consumer however, I want to own the product, to store it locally completely separate from the purchasing path. If I want to install it on this machine or that machine I want to be able to, without installing some third party client, and phoning them to ask permission to play it - which is what the clients do in most cases.

I assume most of us here have lost a game or two at least to some DRM mechanism failing, I for one purchased GTA4 on release, installed it, installed all the R* rubbish and it failed. Some calls to thier helpdesk got it working for about half an hour, before it died again. So I am left with a product I cannot use on any of machines, and a rebuild on the OS to remove R* rubbish. That is not acceptable to me. I realise that people now don't think about it, its all just cloud chuck any old thing on it, but surely the rise in scams, hacking and such like does help understand why not all cloud based things are good. If the internet was cuttoff today, what would you do? Me, I would quite happily continue on as all my stuff is stored securely offline. This is the principal reason I shop here, I then own the product and need the site no further other then point of sale. Another example is the Windows 10 update, this is a company abusing their ownership of a product to push customers for their beneift.

True, technology advances and it can be a struggle to get things running on newer hardware, steam isn't going to solve that, anymore than anyone else, it is an item by item process, which if you don't put the effort in yourself you wont get.

Do note, that this isn't just games, I wont stream music for instance. And there are other reasons secondary to this for not wanting to use steam. I suppose I am one of those smaller group of people, probably older, who remember boxes with maps and such like, and I have been a collector for decades but recently I have started to get rid of it all. Online stores have ruined the collecting scene, and no a digital library is not a collection.
Who needs to grow some balls anyway? Steam? GoG? Publishers?

Steam certainly don't need anymore bigger ball. They have the biggest ball enough to fight hand to hand with Blizzard and even challenging Microsoft.

If you think GoG needs a bigger one, then you're pushing your luck. They've done the best they can do at their current resources. Asking for more is just slowing down their own pace.

Publishers? They're merely giving promotions. You might get some luck by asking for Steam keys manually, but for two ways? Nah, you'd be better asking the dead to return back to life.

You said you're not taking sides, but from my eyes you're just an entitled brat asking for more cookies when given one.
Who needs to grow some balls anyway? Steam? GoG? Publishers?

edit: dunno why this posted twice. removed redundant parts.
Post edited June 02, 2016 by zeroxxx
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Post edited September 06, 2021 by bit.rot
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burkjon: That's true to a point, it's easier to click download than navigate to the backup. My point of contention is really the difference with the install method; I find putting games into All Programs to be incredibly cumbersome and old-fashioned; my music and movies are not there, why should my games be? Can GOG Galaxy install games from backups?
I understand that it's old-fashioned but it's not really that many more clicks. I usually install my games to my secondary SSD in a GOG specific folder which installers seem to remember so I open one up, agree terms then install. Granted, I still use TotalCommander, a file manager from 90s where you have 2 windows to operate with so maybe I don't mind old school as long as it's functional and efficient.

I don't remember if Galaxy supports installing from backups but I think it was a planned feature. I've been putting off updating it as it has a habit of ruining my folder naming scheme and messing up games using mods.
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burkjon: You don't find juggling individual installers more of a hassle?

As for the mobile lifestyle, I just mean I'm not sitting at a desk, I use a laptop with a controller most of the time, and the Steam Controller has been a godsend. Yeah, I could add GOG games to my Steam library, but that starts to get incredibly sloppy and all the integration (like time tracking, achievements, and community profiles) is lost.
That's great, except that one reason I'm not into console gaming much is because of controllers. Extended controller use is much more painful for me than M+K. So what's a benefit for you from Steam just isn't for me. And yes, I really do prefer dealing with my own installers. I want to know exactly where my games are going, and if something goes wrong on my PC because an installer downloaded a different DX package, C++ library, or .NET framework, if I don't get the notification of what's being changed/added by doing a manual install, I won't know where to start looking.

Achievements, time tracking, and community profiles aren't my thing either. So everything that's great for you about Steam just doesn't apply to me---we're different consumers.
I can assure you most of your steam games won't run on an always offline system.
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mike_cesara: I can assure you most of your steam games won't run on an always offline system.
It's why I won't/don't use Steam.
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Post edited September 06, 2021 by bit.rot
If Steam makes things easier for you, you probably name to learn something about computers (and maybe NAS). You've been taken for a ride. Nothing is easier and safer (in the long run) than GoG.
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Nirth: You said you backed up your Steam games, what is the difference? They become individual installers too only they require Steam client to verify.
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burkjon: That's true to a point, it's easier to click download than navigate to the backup. My point of contention is really the difference with the install method; I find putting games into All Programs to be incredibly cumbersome and old-fashioned; my music and movies are not there, why should my games be? Can GOG Galaxy install games from backups?
You're making it sound like the GOG installers force a certain folder on you, but that's not true. I never put my games into the default "program files"-folder either. When you run a GOG installer, they give you the option of picking the destination folder of your choosing to install the game to and your system remembers that, so all subsequent GOG games default to that folder from that point on, so the "why should my games be in All Programs" is really only an (easily changable) issue the first time you install a GOG game and never again at any point in the future.
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Post edited September 06, 2021 by bit.rot
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Breja: So that you can get a DRMed copy of your DRM-free game?

I mean, I don't care, I don't use Steam, never will, so I don't give a rats ass about how this Connect thing works, two-way, one-way, threesome... but I don't really see what the point would be to get a Steam rental version of a game you already actually own here.
Some games have multilanguage options on Steam, whereas on Gog they're English only. Sometimes they have more extras or features. Some have better mod support on Steam. Some people like using cloud saves, collecting achievements or selling cards for pocket money, or maybe they just like a functional client, and Galaxy has still a long way to go. Not to mention that unfortunately some devs suddenly realize they 'can't afford' to keep updating their games on non-Steam platforms.

I'm not saying I agree with the OP but there's plenty of reason why one would prefer having a game on Steam rather than here.
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burkjon: I know GOG Connect is a business move intended to grow the user base, and is not actually about freeing the games. But one can dream we live in a world where the games are yours, no matter what service you choose. Yes, the topic of Steam keys has been trampled to death, but if GOG really wanted to champion pro-consumer ideals, they would have the spine to let people grow their Steam account too, and offer keys with games available (or become available) on Steam. It would still keep people on GOG, and make them appear far more altruistic and "looking out for the gamer".

Sorry for the controversial topic, but I don't take sides here, I only care about the games.
I am fine with the transitioning of Steam to GoG, but not the other way around.

For the very reason that if a key or so were to be distributed - someone is going to use that key for a resale or a trade. I'm pretty sure that's going to happen for the most part. I don't think that'd go so well.
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Breja: So that you can get a DRMed copy of your DRM-free game?

I mean, I don't care, I don't use Steam, never will, so I don't give a rats ass about how this Connect thing works, two-way, one-way, threesome... but I don't really see what the point would be to get a Steam rental version of a game you already actually own here.
For me, the main reason I might want the steam version of a game I own on GOG is because too many publishers seem to keep forgetting to bring the Linux version of their games to GOG.

Saints Row 2
Saints Row 3
KOTOR II
The Metro's

The list goes on.
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Post edited September 06, 2021 by bit.rot