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Posted March 27, 2020
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Gabe says Valve is dishonest without competition (in this case of the example, he meant Epic by competition).

Epic "keeps us honest". Without Epic they were dishonest according to that quote (no matter how many people tried to raise issues).


>www.kotaku.co.uk/2020/03/20/gabe-newell-says-the-epic-store-keeps-us-honest
> Gabe Newell Says the Epic Store "Keeps Us Honest"

Here it is. They wouldn't be honest of their own accord.
Post edited March 27, 2020 by Crevurre
Posted March 27, 2020
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Crevurre: Epic "keeps us honest". Without Epic they were dishonest according to that quote (no matter how many people tried to raise issues).
That's really not how logic works. Notice how he says *keep* them honest. So he's implying they still are but might stray without competition.

Of course, I wouldn't take either as fact from an involved party but if you want to make a logical deduction from a quote then you're doing it wrong.
Posted March 27, 2020
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Norglics: They don't even mention gog. Gog is turning into steam. Should be renamed to Steamforoldpeople.
They didn't mention EA Origin, UPlay, itch.io, GamersGate.com, humble store and various others either.

Where is this world going to?
Posted March 28, 2020
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Crevurre: Epic "keeps us honest". Without Epic they were dishonest according to that quote (no matter how many people tried to raise issues).
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Pheace: That's really not how logic works. Notice how he says *keep* them honest. So he's implying they still are but might stray without competition.

Of course, I wouldn't take either as fact from an involved party but if you want to make a logical deduction from a quote then you're doing it wrong.
Yes it is really how logic works. You also have a sly aspect to your interpretation. It's very clear that without Epic they would be dishonest. And yes someone saying something at an interview is absolutely convictable, That's why a death threat is illegal and representable in courts of law.

I see you apologists crawling all over Steam forums with your conniving sockpuppet apologism. Anyone having an opinion defending these companies should have to disclose their association to the industry, employee or any similar corporate structure.
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Norglics: They don't even mention gog. Gog is turning into steam. Should be renamed to Steamforoldpeople.
Gog is for young people because they have less money. Old people are on steam. Steam is also crawling with corporate associates of the companies.

There has recently been a new wave of targeting on Steam. Only gamers who do what the corporate associates say are now allowed on Steam.
Post edited March 28, 2020 by Crevurre
Posted March 28, 2020
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People should've abandoned Scheme long ago and just come here. Epic Fail Store is irrelevant, another primarily-DRMed storefront, yippee. Scheme's business model was to force DRM on desired games from the start. The choice they offered to customers was "accept DRM, or miss out". Customers made the wrong choice and should've forced their hand or if nothing else supported other games that did not have DRM.

GOG's best hope in the market is to serve a niche (made niche by Scheme's actions over the last decade and a half, but I digress), and provide a complete kind of ownership that Scheme can't. The more casual Scheme customers, ones without 5,000+ Scheme games, are reachable through that approach. The hardcore "No Scheme No Buy" crowd are too entrenched and not worth courting any more than Scheme would court hardcore DRM-free folks (i.e. not at all).
Posted March 29, 2020
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rjbuffchix: People should've abandoned Scheme long ago and just come here. Epic Fail Store is irrelevant, another primarily-DRMed storefront, yippee. Scheme's business model was to force DRM on desired games from the start. The choice they offered to customers was "accept DRM, or miss out". Customers made the wrong choice and should've forced their hand or if nothing else supported other games that did not have DRM.

GOG's best hope in the market is to serve a niche (made niche by Scheme's actions over the last decade and a half, but I digress), and provide a complete kind of ownership that Scheme can't. The more casual Scheme customers, ones without 5,000+ Scheme games, are reachable through that approach. The hardcore "No Scheme No Buy" crowd are too entrenched and not worth courting any more than Scheme would court hardcore DRM-free folks (i.e. not at all).
Well now it's time to dump Scheme. We need all gog base to get everyone they can off Scheme.
Posted March 29, 2020
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rjbuffchix: People should've abandoned Scheme long ago and just come here.
Well, GOG should've released all popular games, especially ones that are in "GOG wishlist", long ago. Not just refuse to do it under "it's too niche" pretense.
Posted March 29, 2020
What do you think GOG would be without competition? Everyone who's joined before March 2020 ( :P ) should already have learnt their lesson by now that business is not just nice principles and companies aren't the same as loyal friends.
Posted March 29, 2020
Wait, does Gabe imply that competition incentivizes businesses to provide their customers with better products and services while lack of competition tends to do the opposite? How dare he mention business basics that are taught in high school and apply it generically to his own company as well, that level of insight means he's up to no good!
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Posted March 29, 2020
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DadJoke007: that level of insight means he's up to no good!
It does and I've seen examples.
Posted March 29, 2020
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rjbuffchix: People should've abandoned Scheme long ago and just come here.
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LootHunter: Well, GOG should've released all popular games, especially ones that are in "GOG wishlist", long ago. Not just refuse to do it under "it's too niche" pretense.
"All popular games" != Popular indie games.

Many of the games on the wishlist that aren't indies, are ones I'm sure GOG would love to have here but the publishers of those have more leverage not to bring them DUE TO how Scheme normalized this culture of DRM on everything.

That said, there were quite a few cases of desired indie games that GOG did reconsider and sell here. GOG had said they were going to try and do better in this regard, and it looks like they have backed it up in such cases.
Posted March 29, 2020
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DadJoke007: that level of insight means he's up to no good!
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Crevurre: It does and I've seen examples.
Run for cover, Gargamel is near.
Posted March 29, 2020
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Crevurre: Epic "keeps us honest". Without Epic they were dishonest according to that quote (no matter how many people tried to raise issues).
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Pheace: That's really not how logic works. Notice how he says *keep* them honest. So he's implying they still are but might stray without competition.

Of course, I wouldn't take either as fact from an involved party but if you want to make a logical deduction from a quote then you're doing it wrong.
Valve is not an honest company

Dramatically altered usage rights, enforced by DRM, no option but to accept

Continued to hold your game to ransom if you didn't agree to it changed contracts...
Stopped doing after being taken to court.

Legitimate Refunds denied
Stopped doing after being taken to court.

Undermined its Steam Machine partners by secretly developing the Steam Link

I've personally had them refuse to adhere to their own contract.

So no, with out competition Valve is not Honest.


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Forgot, changing a discovery algorithm that decimated many indie devs. Refused to change it back as it was more profitable to Valve.
Post edited March 29, 2020 by mechmouse
Posted March 29, 2020
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Migrating as many people on Steam over to GOG is the right choice. If we get astronomical amounts over we may be able to affect Valve. Epic users, too should be trying to do it. Valve->GOG is good for Epic as much as it's bad for Valve.
Post edited March 29, 2020 by Crevurre
Posted March 29, 2020
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The only games Valve forces to be Steam only are their own. You could make the argument Newell should put Half-Life 2 on GOG to support his beliefs, but I doubt he'd see it that way.

Everything else that is Steam only is because the developer or publisher didn't bother making another version.
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