Posted December 04, 2009

rewsan
New User
Registered: Jun 2009
From United Kingdom

michaelleung
YOU ARE ALL RETARDS
Registered: Sep 2008
From Canada
Posted December 04, 2009
Tomb Raider Underworld (aka "The Bad One") 75% off on Steam.

Delixe
Not Merry
Registered: Sep 2008
From Ireland
Posted December 04, 2009
D2D UK has The Witcher: EE for £12.50

Gundato
The Peepe
Registered: Sep 2008
From United States
Posted December 04, 2009

Isn't that how economics work? I wasn't aware that the local supermarket had to have the exact same sales in every single store in the country (or planet, if it is multinational).
Either way, it isn't like it matters (in the long run) where a sale comes from. If Germany isn't buying Starscape, give them a sale and they'll buy more. But if you give everyone else a sale, they'll buy more too...
Seriously, not everything is a massive conspiracy against the consumers :p

rewsan
New User
Registered: Jun 2009
From United Kingdom
Posted December 04, 2009
I wasn't claiming there was any kind of conspiracy, just explaining how stardock could benefit from targeted sales. I personally don't have a problem with it, as long as the games are available worldwide and the normal pricing is fair, no 1$ = 1€ and that sort of thing.
Post edited December 04, 2009 by rewsan

OmegaX
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Registered: Aug 2009
From Peru
Posted December 04, 2009
Today's GamersGate new deal from the 1C Advent Calendar promo is: UFO Aftermath at $3.49

melchiz
New User
Registered: Sep 2009
From United States
Posted December 04, 2009

I was asking how Stardock could benefit from bansama's proposed conspiracy, not how Stardock could benefit from targeted sales.

bansama
bansama.com
Registered: Oct 2008
From Japan
Posted December 04, 2009

You're right when the store has many different branches. But this is *one* store with *one* branch. Instead of thinking that this is one store offering sales in some of its branches which are doing poorly in terms of profits, this is akin to one branch of that same supermarket asking customers where they live and then adjusting the price according to the address given. Thus even though two people are buying the same product, one of them could end up paying more simply because they have the wrong address and not because they shopped at a different branch of the store.
A store that sells only over the internet is not subject to the same local economies that the B&M store in your example has to face in differing branch locations, thus you cannot really compare the two.
While the idea of regionally targeted sales sounds good in theory (assuming it's actually targeting areas which *need* a sale to bolster movement of stock, etc.) then sure it's a good move. But what you are most likely to see here is the site in question deciding to offer a sale only to North America, for example, while the game is still being sold at a marked up price (ie, in Europe) without a discount. This is almost certain to also happen even when the publisher is the same for both regions (and I'm not talking of publishers that have regional branches (ie, EA US/UK, etc.)
So if the publisher is the same for all regions, then how are they only going to be able to secure a sale for one country? Hands up if you believe that such publishers are going to contact all the B&M stores in all countries/other DD stores and ask if they can have permission to sell their own product cheaper at a specific store. No, what is more likely is that the site has only asked them to OK a sale in one country -- the country the site (and not the publisher) wants to offer a sale to.
So, as rewsan posted, some sites are going to rely on customers being blissfully unaware that such sales exist. And in this case, the site is going out of their way to ensure such blissful ignorance of sales being targeted to regions which most likely don't even need it.

OmegaX
Maverick Hunter
Registered: Aug 2009
From Peru
Posted December 04, 2009
You do realize that most of these game publishing/developing companies have almost completely independent branches in different markets? Why do you think Capcom titles are not offered in digital distribution outlets in Japan? Capcom is a japanese company but the japanese branch doesn't seem to like DD as much as the USA branch.
I concede that if Stardock wanted to offer a discount they would only have to cut some of their share from the game price but if they REALLY want to cut prices they need to work with the publishers so that they agree to cut their shares too. And many publishers are more willing to agree to targeted sales to increase profits in markets that have not bought as expected.
Last, you DON'T KNOW what the sales will be or on what regions will they apply so all your points are mere speculation. Why do you need to make all this ranting and assume the worst from such limited information that we have on the sale right now.
Post edited December 04, 2009 by OmegaX

bansama
bansama.com
Registered: Oct 2008
From Japan
Posted December 04, 2009

And if you had bothered to read what I posted instead of just skimming it, you'd have noticed I was specifically talking about the publishers which don't have such branches. Really, if you're not even going to bother to fully read what is posted, don't waste your time replying.

taczillabr
ATTN: Sarcastic
Registered: Apr 2009
From Brazil
Posted December 04, 2009
These are the new releases or the old ones?
http://www.gogamer.com/viewproduct.htm?productId=89174132&extid=Dec0309
http://www.gogamer.com/viewproduct.htm?productId=38042594&extid=Dec0309
http://www.gogamer.com/viewproduct.htm?productId=38042593&extid=Dec0309
gogamer doesn't ship internationally, right? or they ship to mexico and canada? (Yes, I know that Amazon have them).
http://www.gogamer.com/viewproduct.htm?productId=89174132&extid=Dec0309
http://www.gogamer.com/viewproduct.htm?productId=38042594&extid=Dec0309
http://www.gogamer.com/viewproduct.htm?productId=38042593&extid=Dec0309
gogamer doesn't ship internationally, right? or they ship to mexico and canada? (Yes, I know that Amazon have them).

OmegaX
Maverick Hunter
Registered: Aug 2009
From Peru
Posted December 04, 2009

I read everything but you assume whatever you want to assume because you know better right? For me you still seem to be only complaining for the sake of complaining.
Do you care to explain me why you are assuming that the sales will come from developers that don't have branches? The original blog post and the subsequent posts in the Impulse page says the following "AAA titles will start to get steep discounts."
AAA titles == big companies
From my understanding most big companies have worldwide branches so the Stardock CEO explains that is the reason that they are only able to get sales on selected markets. For the last time, you don't have any idea which games will be on sale so you are getting steamed without any reason at all.
This is what you said:
So if the publisher is the same for all regions, then how are they only going to be able to secure a sale for one country?
How do you know that they were able to secure a sale on one country for a publisher that doesn't have branches? What makes you so sure that this is the case? Can you lend me your magic ball so I can look into the future? It must be nice to be such an enlightened individual </sarcasm>
Post edited December 04, 2009 by OmegaX

melchiz
New User
Registered: Sep 2009
From United States
Posted December 04, 2009
@OmegaX
Attempting to argue with bansama is no different than attempting to breathe when submerged in water. He can be right, but once he forms an opinion it cannot be challenged and you are foolish to challenge it.
Attempting to argue with bansama is no different than attempting to breathe when submerged in water. He can be right, but once he forms an opinion it cannot be challenged and you are foolish to challenge it.

bansama
bansama.com
Registered: Oct 2008
From Japan
Posted December 04, 2009

I don't, hence the use of the word "if". And while these sales may start with so-called AAA titles which may be published by publishers who have separate deals per region due to their infrastructure, that does not rule out similarly targeted sales for other titles or for independently published titles. However, due to the nature that these sales are going to be targeted we may never know.
But one point to take note of is the fact that most so-called AAA titles sold on Impulse are only sold in North America over Impulse. So where do you think most of these sales are going to be targeted? Not Germany, that's for sure.

Gundato
The Peepe
Registered: Sep 2008
From United States
Posted December 04, 2009


But one point to take note of is the fact that most so-called AAA titles sold on Impulse are only sold in North America over Impulse. So where do you think most of these sales are going to be targeted? Not Germany, that's for sure.
So basically, you are just angry that you don't get the sale?
And if most of the titles are only sold in NA in the first place, and if those are the ones that are getting discounted, wouldn't you agree that there is no point in advertising it on the website? People get angry enough about regional restrictions, so why rub it in their faces?