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bansama: In particular: “The PC version of Assassin’s Creed Brotherhood, after an initial login, will be playable offline in single player mode,” confirmed the rep.

Which is exactly what the DRM is like for AC2 now.
I heard that AssBro only has an initial activation on install. Does it vary depending on where you buy it from then?
Crazy Machines are 50% off on Impulse.
Post edited March 06, 2011 by Aidenz
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Navagon: I heard that AssBro only has an initial activation on install. Does it vary depending on where you buy it from then?
AC:B will be the same as AC2. You need to connect to their server when you start the game. After that, you no longer need the connection. It's the same no matter where you buy the game from. In fact, I used the AC2 DE key from Steam to upgrade my GG AC2 SE version. Possible as "Uplay" considers both to be the same game. Thus, no. It won't depend on where you purchase.

As for the text included in the product page, it's like the standard EA text. Used even when it doesn't fully apply.
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bansama: AC:B will be the same as AC2.
I guess people are just getting their hopes too high or something then. So about the only hope for these UbiDRMed games is if Ubisoft make a change at their end.
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Navagon: I heard that AssBro only has an initial activation on install. Does it vary depending on where you buy it from then?
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bansama: AC:B will be the same as AC2. You need to connect to their server when you start the game. After that, you no longer need the connection. It's the same no matter where you buy the game from. In fact, I used the AC2 DE key from Steam to upgrade my GG AC2 SE version. Possible as "Uplay" considers both to be the same game. Thus, no. It won't depend on where you purchase.

As for the text included in the product page, it's like the standard EA text. Used even when it doesn't fully apply.
I didn't really want to derail the thread, but my issue more than anything else is that they included the language way at the bottom where it's completely off the screen if you don't know to scroll down. If people don't mind putting up with that it's their own business. I just don't think that training people to assume that the text means something other than what it says is great.
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bansama: AC:B will be the same as AC2.
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Navagon: I guess people are just getting their hopes too high or something then. So about the only hope for these UbiDRMed games is if Ubisoft make a change at their end.
I want to play that game, but I still find the UbiDRM to be unnecessarily restrictive. Requiring it just during the start up is better than constantly, but it's still not acceptable. Especially with the notification way down at the bottom of the page where many people aren't likely to see it. One thing I do appreciate about Impulse is that the DRM scheme is typically a part of the summary that's presented front and center at the top of the screen where you're likely to see it.

I'll leave it at that.
Post edited March 06, 2011 by hedwards
i will never trust ubi again, who knows they might make a fail game sometime later and then put the failure on pc users and piracy just like epic did, and make it a reason to reintroduce the drm
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hedwards: I want to play that game, but I still find the UbiDRM to be unnecessarily restrictive. Requiring it just during the start up is better than constantly, but it's still not acceptable.
Totally agreed. It's not enough by any means. But if they continue to backtrack then it's a good sign. After all, Ubisoft were releasing games DRM-free immediately before UbiDRM was announced.
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Navagon: Totally agreed. It's not enough by any means. But if they continue to backtrack then it's a good sign. After all, Ubisoft were releasing games DRM-free immediately before UbiDRM was announced.
They even challenged the anti-DRM crowd by releasing Prince of Persia completely DRM-free. I think what made them retract their stance was that people still pirated the game anyway.

Anyhow, I caved in and bought the Ubisoft pack on Steam. Even if they're rentals (a technicality), for that price they're still worth it.
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lowyhong: They even challenged the anti-DRM crowd by releasing Prince of Persia completely DRM-free. I think what made them retract their stance was that people still pirated the game anyway.
As always they should have focussed on the actual sales rather than the piracy. The year they released a number of DRM-free games saw far higher profits than 2010's year of UbiDRM.
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JambroceBC: I believe they mean Leslie Nielson.
Charlie Sheen is hardly someone worth honoring.
At least not anymore anyway.
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Foxhack: Surely you can't be serious.

They ARE talking about Sheen; Nielsen died a few months back, and Sheen has been mentioning goddesses lately. Plus, "15% and a half"? "Two And A Half Men" reference.
Well it said they were honoring him and it's pretty common to honor awesome dead people.
I didn't even notice the godesses thing.
I figured "15% and a half" was a Naked Gun 2 and a half reference.
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hedwards: I didn't really want to derail the thread, but my issue more than anything else is that they included the language way at the bottom where it's completely off the screen if you don't know to scroll down.
1 - It's standard to have any legal information (which DRM information like that is classed as) to be at the bottom - this is not something that only GamersGate do. 2 - They do mention that some form of DRM is used at the top (Other DRM). It's also mentioned in the system requirements in bold where applicable (look at the page for AC2). 3 - The inclusion of a vertical scroll bar should be plenty of indication that the page continues downwards...
Post edited March 06, 2011 by bansama
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hedwards: I didn't really want to derail the thread, but my issue more than anything else is that they included the language way at the bottom where it's completely off the screen if you don't know to scroll down.
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bansama: 1 - It's standard to have any legal information (which DRM information like that is classed as) to be at the bottom - this is not something that only GamersGate do. 2 - They do mention that some form of DRM is used at the top (Other DRM). It's also mentioned in the system requirements in bold where applicable (look at the page for AC2). 3 - The inclusion of a vertical scroll bar should be plenty of indication that the page continues downwards...
To be honest that's a lot of bullshit.
http://www.gamersgate.com/DD-ACBHDE/assassins-creed-brotherhood-deluxe-edition

There is no indication that you have to have a connection to the net included in the system requirements. In fact I don't see any mention of an internet connection at all in the system requirements. Meaning that I ought to be able to download on one computer and load it on a different one. DRM itself doesn't imply that the software has to phone home in order to function.

As for the scroll bar, that's got nothing to do with it, there are things on both sides that require scrolling, one shouldn't be expected to know that there's something obnoxious hidden at the bottom of the page.
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bansama: 1 - It's standard to have any legal information (which DRM information like that is classed as) to be at the bottom - this is not something that only GamersGate do. 2 - They do mention that some form of DRM is used at the top (Other DRM). It's also mentioned in the system requirements in bold where applicable (look at the page for AC2). 3 - The inclusion of a vertical scroll bar should be plenty of indication that the page continues downwards...
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hedwards: To be honest that's a lot of bullshit.
http://www.gamersgate.com/DD-ACBHDE/assassins-creed-brotherhood-deluxe-edition

There is no indication that you have to have a connection to the net included in the system requirements. In fact I don't see any mention of an internet connection at all in the system requirements. Meaning that I ought to be able to download on one computer and load it on a different one. DRM itself doesn't imply that the software has to phone home in order to function.

As for the scroll bar, that's got nothing to do with it, there are things on both sides that require scrolling, one shouldn't be expected to know that there's something obnoxious hidden at the bottom of the page.
I don't know, I just clicked the link and the first thing I see is "A permanent internet connection is required to play the game" - you do not need to scroll down, it is at the top. It might be a little small, but it was one of the first things I saw....
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hedwards: Snip
Re-read my post. This time paying attention to the fact that I specifically referenced AC2 in terms of system requirements. Then, go to Steam and look at their page for ACB and compare that with GamersGate's version. You'll notice that at least the net connection is mentioned by GG. It's not mentioned at all on the Steam page.

As for assuming you don't need to scroll down to read the entire product description, that's your problem. Pretty much everyone else is fully capable of viewing an entire page.
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amok: I don't know, I just clicked the link and the first thing I see is "A permanent internet connection is required to play the game" - you do not need to scroll down, it is at the top. It might be a little small, but it was one of the first things I saw....
I feel like I'm being trolled here, but the link I posted does not include any mention of the internet requirement except in the legal notice at the bottom of the page.

It's not a question of it being small, it's a question of it not being present on the page at all. And yes, I looked, and I used the search in page function and the only place on the page where it shows that is in the legalese at the bottom.