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Snolus: They are available elsewhere, they go on the list.
My problem with this is that the problem isn't really fixable. Most of the problems on this list can be fixed by the game dev/publisher. The fix for banned games being sold when they're not supposed to is to remove said game from a platform. I don't think that's a good thing to be encouraging.
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Snolus: They are available elsewhere, they go on the list.
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tremere110: My problem with this is that the problem isn't really fixable. Most of the problems on this list can be fixed by the game dev/publisher. The fix for banned games being sold when they're not supposed to is to remove said game from a platform. I don't think that's a good thing to be encouraging.
Just a tiny correction: FarCry is NOT banned in Germany.
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Geralt_of_Rivia: And that should immediately be removed. Both games are on the German index so not showing them like GOG is doing is the right thing.

Steam is either doing it wrong or (which they are also sometimes known to do!) they sell a heavily censored German version to people with German IPs without pointing out the differences between what they sell to Germans and to the rest of the world.
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Snolus: They are available elsewhere, they go on the list.
NecroVision, for instance, is shown on Steam with the notice "Low Violence: German low violence version only available with German language". It is not on this list here because we can't seem to agree whether a crippled (i.e. censored) game is better than no game.
I disagree with that. Since the only possible solution would be to remove the game from Steam. And I don't think that's what you want to encourage with the list.
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tremere110: My problem with this is that the problem isn't really fixable. Most of the problems on this list can be fixed by the game dev/publisher. The fix for banned games being sold when they're not supposed to is to remove said game from a platform. I don't think that's a good thing to be encouraging.
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MarkoH01: Just a tiny correction: FarCry is NOT banned in Germany.
The original version is. Let me quote:
German version

The German government agencies for the protection of children are not to be trifled with – a lesson that publisher UbiSoft learned the hard way with Far Cry.

Due to realistic violence, especially with regard to the ragdoll model of the enemies, the full English version of Far Cry was banned in Germany by the federal agency BPjM on April 2nd 2004, meaning that any kind of advertisement for this version is forbidden, and it may only be sold on request to persons aged 18 or older.

UbiSoft and developer Crytek had anticipated this, and created a special version of Far Cry for the German market – the usual procedure to abide by the strict German standards. In this version, ragdoll models were disabled. As expected, the modified version was rated “18+” by the USK, the official German rating board. Any game with a USK rating may only be sold to persons of the specified age group, but is protected from being banned. UbiSoft produced and shipped a large amount of copies of this German version, which hit stores on March 25th 2004.

At that time, the BPjM judgment on the English version was pending. The BPjM testers quickly found out what was already widely circulated in the Internet: Crytek had not physically removed the ragdoll model from the German Far Cry, they had just disabled it -- and every user could turn the feature back on with just a few simple modifications. This made the German version identical to the English one. Identical content is the one criterion that would allow the BPjM to ignore a USK rating and ban a game. That, however, had never happened.

Up to now. On April 2nd 2004, the BPjM banned the German version of Far Cry along with the English one, on accounts of identical content. From one day to the next, stores nationwide were no longer allowed to display the boxes of the most popular, extremely successful action game.

UbiSoft’s reaction was feverish, yet professional. As soon as word had spread that a ban was imminent, the company started the production of a new, non-modifiable German version to replace its now worthless predecessor. This second edition retained the USK rating “18+” and was distributed two weeks later, on April 15th. UbiSoft took back all copies of the previous version at its own cost.

The German second edition cover of Far Cry is easily recognizable by a big red box in the upper right corner containing the line “Deutsche Version” (German version). If you happen to own one of the banned first editions, you should probably hold on to it; over time, it may become a collector’s piece.
Post edited February 11, 2019 by Geralt_of_Rivia
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Snolus: They are available elsewhere, they go on the list.
NecroVision, for instance, is shown on Steam with the notice "Low Violence: German low violence version only available with German language". It is not on this list here because we can't seem to agree whether a crippled (i.e. censored) game is better than no game.
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Geralt_of_Rivia: I disagree with that. Since the only possible solution would be to remove the game from Steam. And I don't think that's what you want to encourage with the list.
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MarkoH01: Just a tiny correction: FarCry is NOT banned in Germany.
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Geralt_of_Rivia: The original version is. Let me quote:
Still not BANNED (and calling it banned in the quoted article is plain wrong). Games won't get BANNED in Germany they are on the index list that's a completely different thing. You can still import them, that's completely legal. It's just not allowed to sell them within Germany.

If you speak German you can also read this.
Post edited February 11, 2019 by MarkoH01
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MarkoH01: Still not BANNED (and calling it banned in the quoted article is plain wrong).
Come on, in the age where games are mostly bought through digital stores, this thing is effectively banning. It's government censorship, an abhorrent practice that deserves ridiculing and shaming, not a casuistic defense.
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MarkoH01: Still not BANNED (and calling it banned in the quoted article is plain wrong). Games won't get BANNED in Germany they are on the index list that's a completely different thing. You can still import them, that's completely legal. It's just not allowed to sell them within Germany.

If you speak German you can also read this.
You are arguing semantics at this point. As it pertains to this discussion about games on Steam vs GoG, those games are effectively banned from sale in Germany on both platforms. They're not technically banned but it doesn't really matter in the scope of this particular conversation.
Post edited February 11, 2019 by tremere110
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MarkoH01: It's just not allowed to sell them within Germany.
That's not true. It's legal to sell indexed games in germany.

https://www.schnittberichte.com/svds.php?Page=Indizierungen#kauf-verkauf-besitz-indizierte-medien
Post edited February 11, 2019 by seppelfred
For Age of Wonders 3, also add that the Mac build is missing here.

Edit: Also, Far Cry 2 is listed twice
Post edited February 12, 2019 by Gengar78
A clarification for Space Colony. The HD version sold here contains some of the enhancements of the Steam version (higher resolution and the rebalance to easy mode). What it lacks are the following, according to the developer:

Created exclusively for Steam, this remastered version of Space Colony features a new Galaxy mode 'Obar' mini-campaign, Steam Workshop support, achievements, trading cards and Steam Cloud for saved games.
https://steamcommunity.com/app/297920/discussions/0/620713633842869503/#c620713633845035169

In addition, to answer the question posed on the sheet, Space Colony wasn't available on Steam before the release of the Steam Edition itself (about 4 years ago).
Post edited February 11, 2019 by Grargar
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MarkoH01: It's just not allowed to sell them within Germany.
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seppelfred: That's not true. It's legal to sell indexed games in germany.

https://www.schnittberichte.com/svds.php?Page=Indizierungen#kauf-verkauf-besitz-indizierte-medien
Sorry, bad/wrong wording. Of course you can buy and sell normally indexed games (as long as you ask for proof of age and don't advertize for them) I was talking in this case about confiscated games. Those aren't allowed to be sold in Germany but you can still own those. But that only proves my previous point: nothing is really "banned".
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MarkoH01: Still not BANNED (and calling it banned in the quoted article is plain wrong). Games won't get BANNED in Germany they are on the index list that's a completely different thing. You can still import them, that's completely legal. It's just not allowed to sell them within Germany.

If you speak German you can also read this.
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tremere110: You are arguing semantics at this point. As it pertains to this discussion about games on Steam vs GoG, those games are effectively banned from sale in Germany on both platforms. They're not technically banned but it doesn't really matter in the scope of this particular conversation.
I know that I am talking about semantics here. I only mentioned it because some people actually DO think that games in Germany are getting banned. Germany is not China.

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MarkoH01: Still not BANNED (and calling it banned in the quoted article is plain wrong).
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deesklo: Come on, in the age where games are mostly bought through digital stores, this thing is effectively banning. It's government censorship, an abhorrent practice that deserves ridiculing and shaming, not a casuistic defense.
I am not trying to defend anything. I hate censoring like the next. However I also try to use the correct words whenever I talk about it. The government does not censor any games in Germany but the government makes censoring incentives in the name of protection of the youth by creating the youth protection law the way it is. But this thread is not about censoring in Germany so I guess we should leave it here and go back to topic.

@all: Sorry for the OT. I am finished :)
Post edited February 12, 2019 by MarkoH01
Far Cry removed.
Killing Time removed.


Due to general disagreements and stuff.
Owlboy removed.

The game received the 1.3.6613.28019 patch, whereas the previously linked source was asking for 1.3.6612.16848. Unfortunately, either GOG or D-Pad Studios has failed to offer the changelog for the patch, but I'm at least happy we got the game up-to-date with little effort in convincing the devs.
Songbringer is complete (except for the soundtrack of course), the Steam DLC is integrated into the game here on GOG.
Source: I played it and I completed it.
RIOT - Civil Unrest exited Early Access on Steam 3 days ago. Not here, though. What's more, the game hasn't been updated ever since June.
I just noticed that I was given "Evoland - The Legendary Edition" (which basically is Evoland 1+2 bundled) on Steam for free. It seems as if every owner of Evoland 1 and 2 gets the Legendary Edition for free on Steam. Afaik this is not the case on GOG since they don't even have the Legendary Edition here yet.,
Post edited February 15, 2019 by MarkoH01