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Posted September 22, 2019
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Dunatarh: I prefer Good and Old stuff, so please no MMORPGs, mobile and console games.
Because consoles are a recent invention?
Posted September 22, 2019
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scientiae: But the general point is that, given "magical technology", flawed humanity inevitably creates hell out of what should be heaven, due to the usual litany of foibles (deadly sins, etc.). As I noted a small group (which is a socialist entity by definition) is able to beat an evil collaboration. The conspiracy (of Zaibatsu or whatever) is defeated by a small group (even if the main character is an (Nietzschean Ubermensch) individual, they will need others to assist them in their journey, if only to provide a tent to sleep in or a meal to eat when they are licking their wounds from the second act).
I'm not arguing with this (or the rest of your comment). Just pointing out that Cyberpunk on paper (and I hope Cyberpunk 2077 will too) doesn't employ most of these tropes. It's Hollywood (and US mainstream media in general) that strives to paint everything black-and-white, so protagonist(s) embody virtuous ideals (though I would argue if it's soicalism) and corporations are just a revamp of Evil Empire trope.

That's why I see comparison of Johnny Mnemonic short story and film such a good example how traditional Cyberpunk differs from Hollywood Cyberpunk. There is no corporate CEOs in the book, no mcguffins in Johnny's memory, no "save the world" plot. Just a guy, trying to survive and make a living.

Similar differences are between "Do Androids Dream of Electric Sheep" and "Blade Runner". Though those are not entirely belong to cyberpunk genre.
Posted September 23, 2019
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scientiae: But the general point is that, given "magical technology", flawed humanity inevitably creates hell out of what should be heaven, due to the usual litany of foibles (deadly sins, etc.). As I noted a small group (which is a socialist entity by definition) is able to beat an evil collaboration. The conspiracy (of Zaibatsu or whatever) is defeated by a small group (even if the main character is an (Nietzschean Ubermensch) individual, they will need others to assist them in their journey, if only to provide a tent to sleep in or a meal to eat when they are licking their wounds from the second act).
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LootHunter: I'm not arguing with this (or the rest of your comment). Just pointing out that Cyberpunk on paper (and I hope Cyberpunk 2077 will too) doesn't employ most of these tropes. It's Hollywood (and US mainstream media in general) that strives to paint everything black-and-white, so protagonist(s) embody virtuous ideals (though I would argue if it's soicalism) and corporations are just a revamp of Evil Empire trope.

That's why I see comparison of Johnny Mnemonic short story and film such a good example how traditional Cyberpunk differs from Hollywood Cyberpunk. There is no corporate CEOs in the book, no mcguffins in Johnny's memory, no "save the world" plot. Just a guy, trying to survive and make a living.

Similar differences are between "Do Androids Dream of Electric Sheep" and "Blade Runner". Though those are not entirely belong to cyberpunk genre.
Now you make me want to re-read the books! :)

I honestly can't recall much of either short story (but I actually do recall that I thought Electric Sheep was better than Bladerunner —— and the movie is one of our favourites). I do remember the grittiness and loneliness of the protagonist/s, set up to fail in the bellum omnium contra omnes proscenium so popular with Romantics.

If I follow your comments, it seems you include elements of [Hollywood] Post-cyberpunk in your Cyberpunk? Scilicet, not every corporation is evil; indeed some may even be a allies. I would argue that would probably be a new wrinkle, added since the 80s, but it may have been a part of the original trope (minus Hollywood) and I never noticed. (How many cyberpunk books are there?)

Regardless, however, I prefer this, since it is much more credible and interesting for the audience.
Posted September 23, 2019
I don't know how much it fits into your category but i've really enjoyed Project Eden.

https://www.gog.com/game/project_eden
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