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Posted October 17, 2017
i dont know about you all, but i didnt get into GOG for all these "modern" games. I got gog for games like heroes of might and magic, master of magic, and other good old forgotten games. it seems like gog is showing zero interest in older games as im constantly being bombarded with advertising for games like witcher and fallout... i have steam. im pretty sure most pc gamers have steam. those games are on steam...


which brings me to my actual question: when will the game "Metal Fatigue" be available? why is it taking so long? the wishlist for it was pretty decent, the cost for it to be added cant be anywhere near the cost of witcher... so whats the deal?
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Posted October 17, 2017
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Tradal: i dont know about you all, but i didnt get into GOG for all these "modern" games.
I originally came to GOG.com when I learned one can buy The Witcher 1-2 here digitally DRM-free.

Not that I am against older games either, but the GOG releases that excite me the most are the "few years old AAA games", like:

Mirror's Edge
Darksiders 1-2
FEAR games
Dragon's Dogma
Dragon Age
Saints Row 3-4
Fallout 3/NV
Crysis games
Morrowind + Oblivion (hopefully Skyrim comes at some point too)
etc.

If GOG concentrated only in games that are not available on any other stores, including Steam, then unfortunately that list of games would be smaller and smaller, especially now as many old classics get released on Steam as well, not only GOG.

Let's put it this way: if you oppose the idea of GOG releasing games that are already on Steam, do you similarly oppose old classics (which originally appeared on GOG) appearing on Steam? Did you cry foul when e.g. the old Thief games or Soul Reaver games appeared on Steam? If not, why the double standards? Why does it annoy you on GOG, but not on Steam?
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Tradal: which brings me to my actual question: when will the game "Metal Fatigue" be available? why is it taking so long? the wishlist for it was pretty decent, the cost for it to be added cant be anywhere near the cost of witcher... so whats the deal?
There may be several reasons for that, like:

- technical issues getting it running reliably on modern Windows 10 PCs of various different configurations

- problems figuring out and getting hold of the current IP rights holders

- GOG or the current IP rights holder doesn't believe it would sell enough to cover the costs of a re-release (including all the compatibility work by GOG, support for disgruntled people who can't get it working etc.)
Post edited October 17, 2017 by timppu
Posted October 17, 2017
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Tradal: i dont know about you all, but i didnt get into GOG for all these "modern" games.
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timppu: I originally came to GOG.com when I learned one can buy The Witcher 1-2 here digitally DRM-free.

Not that I am against older games either, but the GOG releases that excite me the most are the "few years old AAA games", like:

Mirror's Edge
Darksiders 1-2
FEAR games
Dragon's Dogma
Dragon Age
Saints Row 3-4
Fallout 3/NV
Crysis games
Morrowind + Oblivion (hopefully Skyrim comes at some point too)
etc.

If GOG concentrated only on games that are not available on any other stores, including Steam, then unfortunately that list of games would be smaller and smaller all the time, especially now as many old classics get released on Steam as well, not only GOG.

Let's put it this way: if you oppose the idea of GOG releasing games that are already on Steam, do you similarly oppose old classics (which originally appeared on GOG) appearing on Steam? Did you cry foul when e.g. the old Thief games or Soul Reaver games appeared on Steam? If not, why the double standards? Why does it annoy you on GOG, but not on Steam?
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Tradal: which brings me to my actual question: when will the game "Metal Fatigue" be available? why is it taking so long? the wishlist for it was pretty decent, the cost for it to be added cant be anywhere near the cost of witcher... so whats the deal?
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timppu: There may be several reasons for that, like:

- technical issues getting it running reliably on modern Windows 10 PCs of various different configurations

- problems figuring out and getting hold of the current IP rights holders

- GOG or the current IP rights holder doesn't believe it would sell enough to cover the costs of a re-release (including all the compatibility work by GOG, support for disgruntled people who can't get it working etc.)
i didnt know steam was pushing into the "old games" market. this was new news to me. i do not like that at all. it triggers me greatly. shouldnt GOG already have a team of lawyers ready to pounce on activities like that from a bigger competitor? theres gotta be some infringement there....

when you say dragons age, i think "ya ok i can totally see origins being acceptable" and i feel that way for morrowind as well... i dont feel that way for fallout3+nv... maybe all the previous titles from interplay, but not the bethesda titles. same for saints row 1+2, maybe 3 because it was good, but probably not 4. i liked gog because it was classy. lots of older people like myself and less idiot children screaming for FPS and angry birds.... idk, i am very frustrated.
Posted October 17, 2017
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Tradal: i didnt know steam was pushing into the "old games" market. this was new news to me. i do not like that at all. it triggers me greatly. shouldnt GOG already have a team of lawyers ready to pounce on activities like that from a bigger competitor? theres gotta be some infringement there....
In fact, Steam have much more "old games" than GOG, and they are often DRM-free (thanks to DOSBox).

If GOG keep being worse and never fix their bugs, at least I can still buy DRM-free games at Steam.
Posted October 17, 2017
Infringement of what? :P
Posted October 17, 2017
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Tradal: ..."Metal Fatigue"...
Maybe there's been some recent developments, but isn't the game impossible to get running on modern PCs?
Posted October 17, 2017
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MadalinStroe: Maybe there's been some recent developments, but isn't the game impossible to get running on modern PCs?
Googling for metal fatigue windows 10 gave me an impression that:

- The retail version installer doesn't work on Windows 10, but there is a fan-made replacement installer that works.

- The game supports Direct3D, OpenGL and 3Dfx Glide. The first two might not work on modern PCs (Windows 10 with new graphics cards), but the Glide version works with a Glide wrapper.

That fact it supports Glide adds to the likelihood that it could run on various modern PC configurations, I guess.

I saw a Youtube video and saw a review article where it was apparently running in Windows 10, so at least on some configurations it can apparently be made to work.

EDIT: Who is the publisher of the game? Mobygames says Talonsoft, while another site says Psygnosis. Both sites say that "Zono, Inc." is the developer.

If the publisher is Psygnosis, then I think it means Sony, which may be an extra hurdle to get it re-released on GOG. Does GOG have any other Sony games (from e.g. Psygnosis)? I don't think so.
Post edited October 17, 2017 by timppu
Posted October 17, 2017
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timppu: I saw a Youtube video and saw a review article where it was apparently running in Windows 10, so at least on some configurations it can apparently made to work.
I found the youtube video, so I guess it's playable. One day I'll have the time to try to get it running... one day...
Posted October 17, 2017
Well, you could always wish for it on the wishlist:
https://www.gog.com/wishlist/games/metal_fatigue
Posted October 17, 2017
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Tradal: i didnt know steam was pushing into the "old games" market. this was new news to me. i do not like that at all. it triggers me greatly. shouldnt GOG already have a team of lawyers ready to pounce on activities like that from a bigger competitor? theres gotta be some infringement there....

when you say dragons age, i think "ya ok i can totally see origins being acceptable" and i feel that way for morrowind as well... i dont feel that way for fallout3+nv... maybe all the previous titles from interplay, but not the bethesda titles. same for saints row 1+2, maybe 3 because it was good, but probably not 4. i liked gog because it was classy. lots of older people like myself and less idiot children screaming for FPS and angry birds.... idk, i am very frustrated.
Uh, what infringement? GOG doesn't own these older titles save for a select few they sought the rights for and bought with their own money. It's up to the current rights-owner of Metal Fatigue for example to decide they want to sell it on GOG or Steam. As for who owns it, that's a complicated process, and sometimes the rights are split up between art, music, code, sound, licenses, etc. That's why it can take a long time, or just plain never happen. Sorry, but that's just the way our screwy system works.

GOG will simply seek out rights owners for these games and ask them what they might own they can fix up/slap an emulator on and sell. That's it. Depending on the game, this can be downright easy to painstakingly hard, and in some cases may even require a little reverse engineering since the source code to a lot of these games is either gone or missing. So again, some games can take a very long time before they come out depending on these factors.

Also, yeah, the forum does have a lot of older users, but it also had a lot of younger ones too. And most people that buy from GOG probably don't use the forum and are probably anywhere from 20-30 on average, but that's just a wild guess on my part. In either case, offering new games is probably one of the reasons this place is still alive and running. GOG pretty much got all the "easy" to get older titles. Now it will be a little more tricky.
Posted October 17, 2017
Compounding to what others said, in my limited experience the most common reasons an old game isn't here are:

A) it's in a legal mess. Sometimes the game's owner isn't even aware that they own the game's IP. Even when they know, the rights to the game's assets may be split between two or more companies. And if it happened that these companies have had a falling out the chance of them working together to bring the game back to us are very slim. Even when the assets aren't split a legal team needs to check if that's the case, which takes time. Lawyer's time. A lawyer's time is costly and as you can imagine not all publishers believe the sales would cover the cost.

In this case you can at least vote for it in the wishlist to show there's a demand for the game.

B) Some publishers just don't accept GOG because they drink the kool-aid of "DRM-free => piracy". (The idiocy of this statement still baffles me.) So they add Securom, Starforce, Denuvo, whathaveyou, release on Steam... and see cracks appearing a week later, at most! Yet they still think releasing DRM-free means losing sales to pirates. As if a guy that's pirating games would actually spend money on their game instead of just playing something else.
Posted October 18, 2017
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tinyE: Infringement of what? :P
im no lawyer, but isnt that some sort of intellectual infringement or something? like if two artists make the same song, one can sue the other
Posted October 18, 2017
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tinyE: Infringement of what? :P
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Tradal: im no lawyer, but isnt that some sort of intellectual infringement or something? like if two artists make the same song, one can sue the other
Thats intelectual property, not a stock list

If VALVe copied Witcher, CDRP could sue, selling the same game no.

You can't sue a shop for buying in the same produce, just be better at it than them.

Also I buy Games on GoG because I don't like Steam and now refuse to use it, I'm all for GoG selling modern games (and more the better)
Posted October 18, 2017
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Tradal: im no lawyer, but isnt that some sort of intellectual infringement or something? like if two artists make the same song, one can sue the other
GOG doesn't own the games it sells (other than those few where the publisher is marked as "GOG Ltd", like Fantasy General). It gets a cut for selling them, but the IP rights are with the game publisher.

I presume quite often GOG gets some sort of exclusivity periods from the publishers, like "if GOG goes through the trouble of making this game work on modern systems, GOG may sell it exclusively for 3-6 months" or something like that, but after that the game publisher is free to release the game (the version which has the compatibility fixes applied by GOG) also on other stores, like Steam.

Also, GOG is not the only company doing this kind of "reviving of old games" work. At least e.g. DotEmu and Nightdive Studios have done similar work, probably others too (Retroism?).
Post edited October 18, 2017 by timppu
Posted October 18, 2017
Witcher is made by CDPR, GOG is owned and run by CDPR, so witcher being here is of no surprise, the problem is all the easy to get old games have been gotten, everything else is in the air, so it may take some time to see more classic releases, but recently we were assured it was happening.

edit: Found the thread here: https://www.gog.com/forum/general/6_community_members_went_to_gog_hq/post1
in case you doubt my words.
Post edited October 18, 2017 by Lord_Kane
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