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Crosmando: What's going on with Galaxy development? Seems like we haven't had an update in months.
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skeletonbow: GOG and CDPR have very slowly learned (the hard way) over the years that publicly announcing what you're working on in terms of software, games, features, functionality in advance of having it done is a really bad idea because it sets up the public's expectations for you to deliver exactly what they think you meant by what you said and to do so on time and without problems. It's next to impossible to categorically meet hyped up expectations and so virtually every company eventually learns this and then silently shuts the hell up. :)

So I expect going forward that GOG is not going to publicly talk much at all about what they are currently working on with Galaxy or any other projects, and instead they'll most likely just go ahead and work on it and when it is eventually ready they will announce it either a few days ahead of time to get a small amount of hype going, or they'll just announce it as it is released so nobody has time to form expectations.

While there are pros and cons to this, I think the pros outweigh the cons even though I count myself among everyone else that likes to know about things ahead of time (it's human nature isn't it?).

The last real public information I remember hearing them talk about was how they're going to integrate Epic Games Store into Galaxy client. That will likely be the proof-of-concept test leading up to them incorporating Steam Store, Origin, Uplay, Microsoft Store, and then later on Amazon, Ebay, Etsy, Facebook Marketplace, Craigslist and Kijiji. "The Entire Galaxy of Online Shopping Options At Your Fingertips".

They will become the Amazon of Gaming. Remember, Amazon started out as a book store. GOG started out as a game store.

You heard it here first!
Actually Amazon started as a rainforest. Then Jeff Bezos cut it all into firewood to burn down all local stores and raise the temperature on his private island. True story.
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skeletonbow: So I expect going forward that GOG is not going to publicly talk much at all about what they are currently working on with Galaxy or any other projects, and instead they'll most likely just go ahead and work on it and when it is eventually ready they will announce it either a few days ahead of time to get a small amount of hype going, or they'll just announce it as it is released so nobody has time to form expectations.

While there are pros and cons to this, I think the pros outweigh the cons even though I count myself among everyone else that likes to know about things ahead of time (it's human nature isn't it?).
The problem imo is not that they don't announce anything anymore but simply that nothing happens anymore. There are people who are afraid that Galaxy could get mandatory for all games one day and GOG was advertizing their client like crazy and for so much PR I guess we had by far not enough actual updates, don't you think?
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Orkhepaj: [...]
Needs better tag system. Where I could make a list of tags and then just click on the tags for a game to set, no typing.
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You can do that on any list view. There you can right click on any game and assign tags via checkboxes.

It would be nice to have the option on the game page itself, too, though.
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Orkhepaj: [...]
Needs better tag system. Where I could make a list of tags and then just click on the tags for a game to set, no typing.
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kzadur: You can do that on any list view. There you can right click on any game and assign tags via checkboxes.

It would be nice to have the option on the game page itself, too, though.
Ah thx, didnt know that
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BrianSim: Lack of Galaxy 3.0 isn't a bad thing. At the very least it means GOG won't have to go through all 4,000 games and repackage everything yet again to upgrade all the older Galaxy.dll's for the "benefit" of people who don't want to use Galaxy anyway...
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nightcraw1er.488: Aww, but I love redownloading 10’s gb’s of installers as there is no changelog, to get the latest version with galaxy requirements, breaking backwards compatability and creating a future where they may stop working altogether. That’s what offline installers are for!
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Crosmando: What's going on with Galaxy development? Seems like we haven't had an update in months.
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nightcraw1er.488: Currently developing drm free rootkit, to track cpu usage, so you can accurately check how much time you have played (and inject ads directly onto the motherboard). /exaggeration
LOL.
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skeletonbow: ...
They will become the Amazon of Gaming. Remember, Amazon started out as a book store. GOG started out as a game store.
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nightcraw1er.488: Actually Amazon started as a rainforest. Then Jeff Bezos cut it all into firewood to burn down all local stores and raise the temperature on his private island. True story.
LOL
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skeletonbow: So I expect going forward that GOG is not going to publicly talk much at all about what they are currently working on with Galaxy or any other projects, and instead they'll most likely just go ahead and work on it and when it is eventually ready they will announce it either a few days ahead of time to get a small amount of hype going, or they'll just announce it as it is released so nobody has time to form expectations.

While there are pros and cons to this, I think the pros outweigh the cons even though I count myself among everyone else that likes to know about things ahead of time (it's human nature isn't it?).
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MarkoH01: The problem imo is not that they don't announce anything anymore but simply that nothing happens anymore. There are people who are afraid that Galaxy could get mandatory for all games one day and GOG was advertizing their client like crazy and for so much PR I guess we had by far not enough actual updates, don't you think?
Personally, I would like to see individual features added to Galaxy and more frequently rather than to go for longer periods of time with a monolithic major update, as this would allow us to use features sooner and give more of an impression of things being more alive. Nonetheless I don't doubt that they're working on more Galaxy features and improvements either.

My guess is that their small team is working primarily on Galaxy 3.0 major release to come out at some who-knows time in the future, while a skeleton crew makes minor fixes and updates to 2.0 currently as need be.

I think Steam has kind of spoiled me in this regard as I use the Steam beta client for a long time now as it is frankly more stable and reliable than most "stable" software is, and it gets updated almost daily, and whenever something is broken more often than not there is already an update waiting for me to install which usually solves it. I like being able to get new features sooner like this in a beta especially when the quality is more "stable" than it is "beta". It'd be great if GOG had a team working on Galaxy big enough to be able to roll out more frequent beta updates to test new things, but also a bigger QA team to actually internally test things and push back on the dev team to fix issues before rolling it out in public beta.

Probably not going to happen any time soon though.

I don't see any problem with them advertising their client like crazy though. Why wouldn't they, they've spent a lot of time, money and other resources to develop it and the majority of gamers using their store are using the client. Of course they want to let the rest of the world know about it and take some market share away from Steam and other storefronts in this highly competitive market. Yeah, there are people who have a permanent fear of Galaxy becoming 100% mandatory in the future but there is absolutely nothing that could ever be done to assuade those fears in people that have them, other than completely cancelling all Galaxy development and obsoleting the product which is absolutely not going to happen, or giving out free prescription medication to the people who have this particular malady. :)

People will always fear this happening whether it is realistic to do so or not, and there is no way anyone can prove that it will never happen so I guess "happy living in perpetual fear of this" to all of those people as Galaxy isn't going away as long as the company continues to exist IMHO.

I'd rather just play my games and enjoy them than care about nonsense fears like this, but that's just me. :)
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MarkoH01: The problem imo is not that they don't announce anything anymore but simply that nothing happens anymore. There are people who are afraid that Galaxy could get mandatory for all games one day and GOG was advertizing their client like crazy and for so much PR I guess we had by far not enough actual updates, don't you think?
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skeletonbow: Personally, I would like to see individual features added to Galaxy and more frequently rather than to go for longer periods of time with a monolithic major update, as this would allow us to use features sooner and give more of an impression of things being more alive. Nonetheless I don't doubt that they're working on more Galaxy features and improvements either.

My guess is that their small team is working primarily on Galaxy 3.0 major release to come out at some who-knows time in the future, while a skeleton crew makes minor fixes and updates to 2.0 currently as need be.

I think Steam has kind of spoiled me in this regard as I use the Steam beta client for a long time now as it is frankly more stable and reliable than most "stable" software is, and it gets updated almost daily, and whenever something is broken more often than not there is already an update waiting for me to install which usually solves it. I like being able to get new features sooner like this in a beta especially when the quality is more "stable" than it is "beta". It'd be great if GOG had a team working on Galaxy big enough to be able to roll out more frequent beta updates to test new things, but also a bigger QA team to actually internally test things and push back on the dev team to fix issues before rolling it out in public beta.

Probably not going to happen any time soon though.

I don't see any problem with them advertising their client like crazy though. Why wouldn't they, they've spent a lot of time, money and other resources to develop it and the majority of gamers using their store are using the client. Of course they want to let the rest of the world know about it and take some market share away from Steam and other storefronts in this highly competitive market. Yeah, there are people who have a permanent fear of Galaxy becoming 100% mandatory in the future but there is absolutely nothing that could ever be done to assuade those fears in people that have them, other than completely cancelling all Galaxy development and obsoleting the product which is absolutely not going to happen, or giving out free prescription medication to the people who have this particular malady. :)

People will always fear this happening whether it is realistic to do so or not, and there is no way anyone can prove that it will never happen so I guess "happy living in perpetual fear of this" to all of those people as Galaxy isn't going away as long as the company continues to exist IMHO.

I'd rather just play my games and enjoy them than care about nonsense fears like this, but that's just me. :)
And what if those fears were actually losing GOG sales? For my money I couldn’t care less about devotion. I am boycotting due to:
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Broken website/forum
Downloads need fixing, proper installers not galaxified ones, with proper compression, multiple download options, changelogs and the ability to download all old versions and patches.
Proper parity between galaxy and offline users, none of this, it takes longer to provide an offline version, or, we can’t provide preorder downloads for offline, or, this content is not available for offline users etc.

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Drop epic support. It just damages GoG across the board, and users will find when they lose access to games, they will blame GOG.

There are a fair few other issues, mostly in:
https://www.gog.com/forum/general/boycotting_gog_2021
To which nothing has been said, by anyone, on any subject, nor done anything about for several years now. Cyberjunk was the final straw for me, preorder CDPR’s own product and they couldn’t offer preload to offline users even though pirate sites had it? That’s not irrational fears, that’s a clear FCKoff offline users. Hence I stopped buying anything from last Nov. Loss of sales to date must be up to perhaps a hundred games.
Post edited June 24, 2021 by nightcraw1er.488
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skeletonbow: I don't see any problem with them advertising their client like crazy though. Why wouldn't they, they've spent a lot of time, money and other resources to develop it and the majority of gamers using their store are using the client. Of course they want to let the rest of the world know about it and take some market share away from Steam and other storefronts in this highly competitive market. Yeah, there are people who have a permanent fear of Galaxy becoming 100% mandatory in the future but there is absolutely nothing that could ever be done to assuade those fears in people that have them, other than completely cancelling all Galaxy development and obsoleting the product which is absolutely not going to happen, or giving out free prescription medication to the people who have this particular malady. :)
You misunderstood. I also don't have a problem with them advertizing the client but it does not fit the fact that they seem to do nothing for the users of their client. This way they will never get mough to mouth propaganda and in the end it is well advertized but everybody will say that it's broken, unoptimized, missing features and not worth looking at. These are two opposite strategies that don't fit.
Post edited June 24, 2021 by MarkoH01
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nightcraw1er.488: Broken website/forum
Agreed - that's embarassing and simply shows how bad GOG is in that regard. We all know that the forum is ancient but not fixing simple bugs in years is imo nothing any IT guy would be able to defend.

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nightcraw1er.488: Downloader need fixing,
Which downloader? GOG Downloader is dead and Galaxy is working (if their servers don't act crazy).

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nightcraw1er.488: proper installers not galaxified ones
Yes, we talked about this already iirc. You have a problem with files that are called Galaxy... and which - without Galaxy - at least don't seem to do anything. Don't see the problem here. I guess they are in there so that people who are using the offline installer to install their games AND want to use Galaxy features will be able to do so as well. So removing them MIGHT lead to the fact that it is only offline installer only or Galaxy only. Each have to decide if that would be a good thing or a bad thing.

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nightcraw1er.488: with proper compression, multiple download options, changelogs and the ability to download all old versions and patches.
Understandable - but just to be honest: those things never were possible on GOG. With the client they introduced this feature. Steam still does not have this feature officially, instead they removed the workaround with their newest UI so that you'd need another workaround.

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nightcraw1er.488: Proper parity between galaxy and offline users, none of this, it takes longer to provide an offline version,
I completely agree in the case of those offline installers that take far longer than Galaxy to arrive. However in the case of those offline installers that take just a few days longer you have to remember that the only reason even the Galaxy version has been updated IS Galaxy since the devs in this case used the Galaxy backend to upload their files directly to the user and the same files are used automatically to create the offline installers. I guess that there's a script running to do this and such process still might take a bit time until those installers are created und uploaded. Anyway, If Galaxy would not be there devs still would use the old way (which unfortunatel some still do): send the files directly to GOG and GOG will have to upload them by themselves after approving them ... in this case the update would probably be even more delayed.

However - timely updates - no matter if you are using Galaxy or offline installers ... that's what I would sign as well :)

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nightcraw1er.488: or, we can’t provide preorder downloads for offline, or, this content is not available for offline users etc.
Perfectly agreed.

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nightcraw1er.488: To which nothing has been said, by anyone, on any subject, nor done anything about for several years now. Cyberjunk was the final straw for me, preorder CDPR’s own product and they couldn’t offer preload to offline users even though pirate sites had it? That’s not irrational fears, that’s a clear FCKoff offline users. Hence I stopped buying anything from last Nov. Loss of sales to date must be up to perhaps a hundred games.
I still would not say that this is a sign for them abandoning DRM-free. If you ask GOG they would simply tell you that you still can play the game SP offline .... of course I do agree that it was completely unnecessary and GOG should provide even such cosmetic material offline as well instead of using it (again) to bribe people into using Galaxy ... but I still am not convinced that this is a sign they might drop DRM-free.
Post edited June 24, 2021 by MarkoH01
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nightcraw1er.488: Broken website/forum
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MarkoH01: Agreed - that's embarassing and simply shows how bad GOG is in that regard. We all know that the forum is ancient but not fixing simple bugs in years is imo nothing any IT guy would be able to defend.

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nightcraw1er.488: Downloader need fixing,
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MarkoH01: Which downloader? GOG Downloader is dead and Galaxy is working (if their servers don't act crazy).

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nightcraw1er.488: proper installers not galaxified ones
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MarkoH01: Yes, we talked about this already iirc. You have a problem with files that are called Galaxy... and which - without Galaxy - at least don't seem to do anything. Don't see the problem here. I guess they are in there so that people who are using the offline installer to install their games AND want to use Galaxy features will be able to do so as well. So removing them MIGHT lead to the fact that it is only offline installer only or Galaxy only. Each have to decide if that would be a good thing or a bad thing.

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nightcraw1er.488: with proper compression, multiple download options, changelogs and the ability to download all old versions and patches.
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MarkoH01: Understandable - but just to be honest: those things never were possible on GOG. With the client they introduced this feature. Steam still does not have this feature officially, instead they removed the workaround with their newest UI so that you'd need another workaround.

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nightcraw1er.488: Proper parity between galaxy and offline users, none of this, it takes longer to provide an offline version,
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MarkoH01: I completely agree in the case of those offline installers that take far longer than Galaxy to arrive. However in the case of those offline installers that take just a few days longer you have to remember that the only reason even the Galaxy version has been updated IS Galaxy since the devs in this case used the Galaxy backend to upload their files directly to the user and the same files are used automatically to create the offline installers. I guess that there's a script running to do this and such process still might take a bit time until those installers are created und uploaded. Anyway, If Galaxy would not be there devs still would use the old way (which unfortunatel some still do): send the files directly to GOG and GOG will have to upload them by themselves after approving them ... in this case the update would probably be even more delayed.

However - timely updates - no matter if you are using Galaxy or offline installers ... that's what I would sign as well :)

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nightcraw1er.488: or, we can’t provide preorder downloads for offline, or, this content is not available for offline users etc.
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MarkoH01: Perfectly agreed.

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nightcraw1er.488: To which nothing has been said, by anyone, on any subject, nor done anything about for several years now. Cyberjunk was the final straw for me, preorder CDPR’s own product and they couldn’t offer preload to offline users even though pirate sites had it? That’s not irrational fears, that’s a clear FCKoff offline users. Hence I stopped buying anything from last Nov. Loss of sales to date must be up to perhaps a hundred games.
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MarkoH01: I still would not say that this is a sign for them abandoning DRM-free. If you ask GOG they would simply tell you that you still can play the game SP offline .... of course I do agree that it was completely unnecessary and GOG should provide even such cosmetic material offline as well instead of using it (again) to bribe people into using Galaxy ... but I still am not convinced that this is a sign they might drop DRM-free.
Sorry, typo, I meant offline installers download, not the old downloader (bleeding autocorrect!).

Actually it’s twofold on the galaxified installers. First, yes they include galaxy files which in some cases removes backwards compatability and adds to the possibility that future compatability breaks. The other part is the way they make the installers now, using galaxy type streams in the installer, so it can’t be simply extracted.

Download options, pirate sites manage it. It’s also not a new thing. They have made no effort whatsoever in years now, even an attempt to do anything constructive on the offline installers (galaxifying is destructive) would be something.

These are not new either, it’s been around for years, and nothing has been done on it, nor even so much as responded to. Quite frankly, when pirate sites are offering a far better product, with far better options, then even ardent fans are going to question why they are paying for it?
As for dropping drm free, I don’t say they will drop it, that would be pulled up. Slow erosion around the edges, get users hooked on galaxy so they don’t notice, these are the methods to be used.
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nightcraw1er.488: Actually it’s twofold on the galaxified installers. First, yes they include galaxy files which in some cases removes backwards compatability and adds to the possibility that future compatability breaks. The other part is the way they make the installers now, using galaxy type streams in the installer, so it can’t be simply extracted.
Could you tell me an example about a case were those files broke backwards compatibility?
One could say that the installers were never meant to be extracted but yes, I know that Linux users sometimes need this ... but we all know how much GOG cares about those.

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nightcraw1er.488: These are not new either, it’s been around for years, and nothing has been done on it, nor even so much as responded to. Quite frankly, when pirate sites are offering a far better product, with far better options, then even ardent fans are going to question why they are paying for it?
Again: they NEVER offered different versions to download so in this regard there was no decline. So if this ios something that bothered you you knew about if when you joined GOG. But I am curious: which pirate sites do have different download versions to offer? Last time I used one of those it was just the latest release.
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nightcraw1er.488: Actually it’s twofold on the galaxified installers. First, yes they include galaxy files which in some cases removes backwards compatability and adds to the possibility that future compatability breaks. The other part is the way they make the installers now, using galaxy type streams in the installer, so it can’t be simply extracted.
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MarkoH01: Could you tell me an example about a case were those files broke backwards compatibility?
One could say that the installers were never meant to be extracted but yes, I know that Linux users sometimes need this ... but we all know how much GOG cares about those.

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nightcraw1er.488: These are not new either, it’s been around for years, and nothing has been done on it, nor even so much as responded to. Quite frankly, when pirate sites are offering a far better product, with far better options, then even ardent fans are going to question why they are paying for it?
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MarkoH01: Again: they NEVER offered different versions to download so in this regard there was no decline. So if this ios something that bothered you you knew about if when you joined GOG. But I am curious: which pirate sites do have different download versions to offer? Last time I used one of those it was just the latest release.
Wizardry 8 I know about. New version is broken for some systems, and lacks content. There have been others over time, not going back and looking for them.
Again, I don’t care if they did or not before, they should. Example above where current versions does not work. Diablo 2 you would want a specific patch. There are other games where you would want to remain on a specific version for mod compatability. This shouldn’t need to be something we need to request.

https://www.gog.com/forum/general/provide_a_full_and_complete_changelogged_download_system/page1

As for other sites, I am not posting anything, but using searches can reveal numerous versions, be it different versions of a game, some patches, some crack patches. Even the torrent allowed using packaged content from previous. None of which a valid site appears to be able to do. Say serious Sam 4, should I re download the 40gb (from memory) to get versions 8 as no patch was provided, or download the 20gb version elsewhere, for i game I paid full price for?
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nightcraw1er.488: Wizardry 8 I know about. New version is broken for some systems, and lacks content. There have been others over time, not going back and looking for them.
Wizardry 8 did not work on some systems and was lacking content because of some Galaxy files they added?

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nightcraw1er.488: Again, I don’t care if they did or not before, they should. Example above where current versions does not work. Diablo 2 you would want a specific patch. There are other games where you would want to remain on a specific version for mod compatability. This shouldn’t need to be something we need to request.
Also again - since the ynever had it and you knew about it from the start, why are you complaining now and not when you joined them ... I understand if people complain about things GOG had or was and hasn't or is not anymore since you could call this a decline. But if you start complaining about things they never offered (and other shops did not offer as well) that's a different thing. There are several things a shop could IMPROVE but why this still might be wishful features the lack of them is not anything I would not complain since I knew about this from the start.

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nightcraw1er.488: As for other sites, I am not posting anything, but using searches can reveal numerous versions, be it different versions of a game, some patches, some crack patches. Even the torrent allowed using packaged content from previous. None of which a valid site appears to be able to do. Say serious Sam 4, should I re download the 40gb (from memory) to get versions 8 as no patch was provided, or download the 20gb version elsewhere, for i game I paid full price for?
You said prate SITES are offering multiple versions while in fact google is simply finding different versions all across the net. Those games are usually not on the same server or even by the same people hosted. Here you are definitely comparing completely different things. Your example with Serious Sam is something you could blame the publisher for and also it has nothing to do with downloadable different versions but rather lacking of updates which is something I already agreed with.
Post edited June 24, 2021 by MarkoH01
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nightcraw1er.488: Wizardry 8 I know about. New version is broken for some systems, and lacks content. There have been others over time, not going back and looking for them.
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MarkoH01: Wizardry 8 did not work on some systems and was lacking content because of some Galaxy files they added?

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nightcraw1er.488: Again, I don’t care if they did or not before, they should. Example above where current versions does not work. Diablo 2 you would want a specific patch. There are other games where you would want to remain on a specific version for mod compatability. This shouldn’t need to be something we need to request.
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MarkoH01: Also again - since the ynever had it and you knew about it from the start, why are you complaining now and not when you joined them ... I understand if people complain about things GOG had or was and hasn't or is not anymore since you could call this a decline. But if you start complaining about things they never offered (and other shops did not offer as well) that's a different thing. There are several things a shop could IMPROVE but why this still might be wishful features the lack of them is not anything I would not complain since I knew about this from the start.

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nightcraw1er.488: As for other sites, I am not posting anything, but using searches can reveal numerous versions, be it different versions of a game, some patches, some crack patches. Even the torrent allowed using packaged content from previous. None of which a valid site appears to be able to do. Say serious Sam 4, should I re download the 40gb (from memory) to get versions 8 as no patch was provided, or download the 20gb version elsewhere, for i game I paid full price for?
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MarkoH01: You said prate SITES are offering multiple versions while in fact google is simply finding different versions all across the net. Those games are usually not on the same server or even by the same people hosted. Here you are definitely comparing completely different things. Your example with Serious Sam is something you could blame the publisher for and also it has nothing to do with downloadable different versions but rather lacking of updates which is something I already agreed with.
I clearly meant the search on those sites. I can see your one of the gog apologists.