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tinyE: And don't give me shit about Skyrim! Any game that begins with public beheadings is a good game! :D
Meh, it's all downhill from there... ;P

Seriously, though, I didn't enjoy Skyrim as much as I did enjoy other Bethesda games, especially Morrowind, but a lot of people really love it and there are tons of mods.
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tinyE: And don't give me shit about Skyrim! Any game that begins with public beheadings is a good game! :D
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Pherim: Meh, it's all downhill from there... ;P

Seriously, though, I didn't enjoy Skyrim as much as I did enjoy other Bethesda games, especially Morrowind, but a lot of people really love it and there are tons of mods.
I think it's a testament to the Elder Scrolls games that everyone has the ones they like and ones they hate.

Regardless of which one you mention, people will disagree wildly on it's worth, which to me shows the devs are trying new things with each successive game rather than thinking, "Well, the last one sold well, lets just make a carbon copy of that!"
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Pherim: Meh, it's all downhill from there... ;P

Seriously, though, I didn't enjoy Skyrim as much as I did enjoy other Bethesda games, especially Morrowind, but a lot of people really love it and there are tons of mods.
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tinyE: I think it's a testament to the Elder Scrolls games that everyone has the ones they like and ones they hate.

Regardless of which one you mention, people will disagree wildly on it's worth, which to me shows the devs are trying new things with each successive game rather than thinking, "Well, the last one sold well, lets just make a carbon copy of that!"
That's partly true, yes, but it is also undeniable that with each new iteration, they get more and more streamlined and more features are getting dropped than added. Every new Elder Scrolls since Daggerfall has fewer skills than the previous one, attributes have been removed completely in Skyrim, just like custom spells. Enchanting and Alchemy have become less complex and thus more restrictive. Not all changes are bad, of course, and there are definitely people who prefer the later games just because they are less complex. But from what I've heard about Fallout 4, it can barely be called an RPG any more, and so I have my doubts about the next Elder Scrolls Title.
Post edited June 21, 2019 by Pherim
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tinyE: I think it's a testament to the Elder Scrolls games that everyone has the ones they like and ones they hate.

Regardless of which one you mention, people will disagree wildly on it's worth, which to me shows the devs are trying new things with each successive game rather than thinking, "Well, the last one sold well, lets just make a carbon copy of that!"
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Pherim: That's partly true, yes, but it is also undeniable that with each new iteration, they get more and more streamlined and more features are getting dropped than added. Every new Elder Scrolls since Daggerfall has fewer skills than the previous one, attributes have been removed completely in Skyrim, just like custom spells. Enchanting and Alchemy have become less complex and thus more restrictive. Not all changes are bad, of course, and there are definitely people who prefer the later games just because they are less complex. But from what I've heard about Fallout 4, it can barely be called an RPG any more, and so I have my doubts about the next Elder Scrolls Title.
Yeah, I guess you're right about that. Hell, you're right about all of it.

I need to rethink my love for the later games. :P
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tinyE: I need to rethink my love for the later games. :P
To be fair, in Skyrim, there were the Dragon shouts (that basically replaced magic as a viable trait) and the local distrust for magic combined. That at least makes sense of one side of the simplification in that particular game.
Did hate the other side though.
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TentacleMayor: lol, the gaming racket that allows scammers on its service and then paywalls protection from said scammers? I'd rather buy from Steam. Hell, I'll say it, I'd rather buy from EA.
I've said it before and I'll repeat: I'd rather give money to Andrew Wilson in person than buy from G2A.
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TentacleMayor: lol, the gaming racket that allows scammers on its service and then paywalls protection from said scammers? I'd rather buy from Steam. Hell, I'll say it, I'd rather buy from EA.
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Plokite_Wolf: I've said it before and I'll repeat: I'd rather give money to Andrew Wilson in person than buy from G2A.
I see y'all been busy discussing about Skyrim and G2A while I bought Rise of the tomb raider and Metal Gear Solid V on steam lol.

To be honest, I didn't expect so many replies and thought of deleting this post at the beginning, but it turned out to be very helpful and I'm starting to like the community here on GOG.
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LootLord: Skidaddle Skidoodle g2a is now a boodle
https://kotaku.com/g2a-scammer-explains-how-he-profited-off-stolen-indie-g-1784540664
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LootLord: Skidaddle Skidoodle g2a is now a boodle
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i_hope_you_rot: https://kotaku.com/g2a-scammer-explains-how-he-profited-off-stolen-indie-g-1784540664
"you can’t guarantee where the key came from or if it’s legitimate" this pretty much sums this site pretty well, you don't need to convince me anymore I know what they are up to.
Interesting.


I've used keys from G2A, CDkeys and eBay on which i've also sold an old Steam account.




But it's what i call the Age of Convenience, people are so damn lazy that they just wing it, without a care in the world for their personal data, but soon panic when their account gets emptied of all their money, if it wasn't for those dimwits there would be a whole lot less stolen cards on the internet.
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Pherim: That's partly true, yes, but it is also undeniable that with each new iteration, they get more and more streamlined and more features are getting dropped than added. Every new Elder Scrolls since Daggerfall has fewer skills than the previous one, attributes have been removed completely in Skyrim, just like custom spells. Enchanting and Alchemy have become less complex and thus more restrictive. Not all changes are bad, of course, and there are definitely people who prefer the later games just because they are less complex. But from what I've heard about Fallout 4, it can barely be called an RPG any more, and so I have my doubts about the next Elder Scrolls Title.
It's funny you say that. Perhaps I'm missing your point, but I think my thoughts are similar.

While I played most of the way through (heavily modded) I never finished Skyrim due to IRL (baby) and the beckon of other games. When I tried to go back several years later on a completely different computer it was frustrating both to play without any mods, or to try to sort through to figure out which mods were still up to date/compatible, yada yada.

So it's not just that Skyrim is streamlined, but it was a bit rough as is, and at least on PC relied on the community sprucing it up to make it "great." IDK, maybe the special edition fixes some of those things.

Cost aside, it's similar to why I would never go back to raiding in WoW again. Who has time anymore to futz with all the add-ons it takes to do it? I maybe have 1-3 hours a day to actually play the games I have, and don't really want to waste that messing around on 3rd party websites.
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All this thread did is remind me of Gearbox partnering with them to release that physical edition of Bulletstorm Full Clip and then backing out after the public shamed both sides to the point that someone had to crack to save face.

Given all the recent news about Randy P. it just kinda serves as the missing piece of the puzzle in regard to why he'd even bother going into a partnership with them in the first place.
Post edited June 26, 2019 by TheMonkofDestiny
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Guess what FCK G2A

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tinyE:
Yeah not as much as you and your goy-friends love beating on me!
Post edited June 26, 2019 by fr33kSh0w2012
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bler144: So it's not just that Skyrim is streamlined, but it was a bit rough as is, and at least on PC relied on the community sprucing it up to make it "great." IDK, maybe the special edition fixes some of those things.
The Special Edition is mainly an engine update, there are no differences in content and very few in terms of gameplay, even most bugs are still there. On the bright side, most mods could be ported, as long as they don't rely on the Script Extender.
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fr33kSh0w2012: Guess what FCK G2A

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tinyE:
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fr33kSh0w2012: Yeah not as much as you and your goy-friends love beating on me!
I'd love to see something negative I've said about you or at you since my last ban ended.