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All of them look like really legit sites with unbiased news...
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Vitek: All of them look like really legit sites with unbiased news...
Unfortunately, neutral sides don't care about situation. :/
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F4LL0UT: Oh yeah, there's no chace that's news fabricated by your government, is there.
RE: Stopfake

Stopfake was created by ukrainian maidan-mentality* youth.
* "burn everything around, kill anyone objecting - and you are in Europe. Europeans do that."

Fakes of Stopfake:
, [url=https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7J69sJic6ZM]B, С, D

The guy is Ukrainian (rational one) and well respected in Russia, because of his neutrality and professional investigative journalism btw.
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vsr: Unfortunately, neutral sides don't care about situation. :/
Sharij is a good independent source, being ukrainian living in EU.
I wish we had someone like him in Russia to debunk russian media fakes as professionally, unfortunately opposition are either liberasts (do not confuse with liberal) or simply nothing of his caliber...
Post edited March 30, 2016 by Lin545
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Lin545: Sharij is a good independent source, being ukrainian living in EU.
I wish we had someone like him in Russia to debunk russian media fakes as professionally, unfortunately opposition are either liberasts (do not confuse with liberal) or simply nothing of his caliber...
Didn't know he lives in EU. Always wondered: "why he is still alive? (being in Ukraine and bringing Ukrainian nazis to light". Makes sense.

To be honest, single person barely could be considered as a neutral side. Remember this "Syrian" dude, who lives in London and runs "Syrian observatory for Human Rights". Never been in Syria and talks, like he knows situation.
Single person can be easily manipulated (money, fear, etc).

Too bad China doesn't want to quarrel with USA. They could've been a third, neutral player. They are interested in a stable situation around the World. They lost a lot of assets in Libya (Russia lost some as well).
Until then, we have pro-USA media and pro-Russia media.
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Interesting. That picture of supposed Polish fighters allegedly trained by the Polish government to fight against the separatists, which is sourced by virtually all of these articles (directly or indirectly) shows members of the Polish right-wing extremist group Falanga fighting FOR the separatists according to this article, information backed by this article.

The same picture used as contradicting evidence by both sides. Funny how that goes, isn't it.

Edit: I dug deeper, the banner visible on the picture actually does belong to an anti-capitalist and highly pro-Russian movement. The picture actually even originated on this very website in this article. And yeah, that website belongs to the group called Falanga, apparently. From what I understand the picture actually shows the men responsible for the the pictures and that article "on their mission in Donbass" (that's what the opening says).
Post edited March 30, 2016 by F4LL0UT
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vsr: Didn't know he lives in EU. Always wondered: "why he is still alive? (being in Ukraine and bringing Ukrainian nazis to light". Makes sense.
Oh well, if you check from what personal downhill Sharij climbed out, you'll have even more respect.


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vsr: Too bad China doesn't want to quarrel with USA. They could've been a third, neutral player. They are interested in a stable situation around the World. They lost a lot of assets in Libya (Russia lost some as well).
Until then, we have pro-USA media and pro-Russia media.
China is probably the smartest, thus I think it has most devastating potential - but I hope it doesn't come this way. Its speculated that the reason of Obama sudden relations de-freeze/restart with Cuba is China heavily investing in economy of Latein America. Its a smart decision (from US side), although too late and too obvious thus very probably unsuccessful, unless locals repeat the 1991 prestroyka mistake, preferring catastrophic chaos to slow productive transformation. Then, again, in the recent events with clearly political sanction method of US and its puppets, they could probably affect only youth as their target (as always). Lets hope it does not unroll into yet another bloody war.
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F4LL0UT: Edit: I dug deeper, the banner visible on the picture actually does belong to an anti-capitalist and highly pro-Russian movement.
Russia is currently capitalist. Not as capitalist as Rothshields, as to starting wars to cover the paycheck, but it has patrons and co. Leave or take.

The site you linked is very similar to extreme-left movement such as of Eduard Lemonov. Point where islamism, communism and nazism intersect in bizarre ways. Can extreme capitalism go this route too? Maybe, actually very probably... But no, thats guaranteed not Russia, sorry.

If I would be hoster of this site, I would take it down solely by image of AKs.
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Lin545: The site you linked is very similar to extreme-left movement such as of Eduard Lemonov.
Curiously the group calls itself "the left of the far-right" and calls for a global anti-capitalist revolution. Anyway, the riddle who those men on the picture used as a evidence for Polish mercenaries in Ukraine belong to, is solved. :P
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Shadowstalker16: Maybe they didn't want Erdogan to see this and cause a fuss..........
Seriously though, is that why they changed the title? Because of bad language to a politician?
It's just their old policy of keeping thread titles clean. As for the actual content of these threads, anything goes most of the time, we all know that. If I had to hazard a guess I'd say that whoever changed the title was not necessarily in disagreement with it, but rules are rules.

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Klumpen0815: He is evil and all the western politicians shaking his hand should resign in shame (especcially Merkel).
He is, but the West couldn't care less of what Erdogan does to his own country as long as he remains on "our side". The USA want Turkey in the EU and they need an ally against Russia in that area. And on top of that, now the EU needs him to contain the refugees flux, among other things. It's not really the best time to be anything but compliant with him.
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Lin545: The site you linked is very similar to extreme-left movement such as of Eduard Lemonov.
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F4LL0UT: Curiously the group calls itself "the left of the far-right" and calls for a global anti-capitalist revolution. Anyway, the riddle who those men on the picture used as a evidence for Polish mercenaries in Ukraine belong to, is solved. :P
Which picture? This one?
edit: Dude on the left is Jerzy Dziewulski.

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vsr: Jerzy Dziewulski, the security advisor to former Polish President Aleksander Kwasniewski, was photographed last week with Turchynov in Slavyansk. Dziewulski is a notorious counter-terrorism expert, having been trained in the US, Israel, France, and Germany, and he currently runs his own private ‘security’ organization. Despite Sikorski playing dumb about the presence of Polish mercenaries in Ukraine and saying he’d “report the fact to the country’s prosecution office”, Dziewulski’s photo with Turchynov proves that he is lying. In reality, Sikorski and Dziewulski represent Poland’s strategic and tactical interference in Ukraine’s civil conflict, and one can no longer be separated from the other.
http://orientalreview.org/2014/06/10/sikorski-and-dziewulski-the-strategy-and-tactics-of-the-neo-commonwealth/
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vsr: Which picture? This one?
Sorry, I meant this one. It was used in a source for one of the articles you linked to and if you search for the pic it's used in dozens, if not hundreds, of articles claiming that Polish mercenaries trained by our government were fighting in Ukraine.

Also, I checked two databases of Polish companies that all registered companies appear in (they pop up there just minutes after registration). That alleged PMC ASBS Othago was indeed shut down in 2013 (as an article sourced by Stopfake stated) when Bartłomiej Sienkiewicz took office as minister of interior and was only reopened in late 2015, so the company did not even exist when its employees were supposedly fighting in Ukraine.
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Avogadro6: He is, but the West couldn't care less of what Erdogan does to his own country as long as he remains on "our side". The USA want Turkey in the EU and they need an ally against Russia in that area. And on top of that, now the EU needs him to contain the refugees flux, among other things. It's not really the best time to be anything but compliant with him.
What Putin should have done is to settle the refugees in Russia. Seriously. Russia has a "demographic problem". It also has vast territories and a lack of trained professionals. The solution is obviously immigration, but normally, it takes an investment because trained professionals have a good life wherever they are and peacetime immigrants are mostly unskilled laborers. But not wartime refugees. Accepting them would have brought in zomg!free trained personnel for continuously understaffed everything, taken away Erdogan's source of influence in Europe, ingratiated Russia with the Turkish opposition, increased Russia's sphere of influence, and saved human lives. But noooo, instead the pedopriest-in-chief is going to whine about the GLOBAL GENOCIDE OF CHRISTIANS (!!!), as exemplified by ISIS in Syria and Teh Gheys in Russia.
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F4LL0UT: Sorry, I meant this one. It was used in a source for one of the articles you linked to and if you search for the pic it's used in dozens, if not hundreds, of articles claiming that Polish mercenaries trained by our government were fighting in Ukraine.
Hint: Check out the shoulderpads on the guy on the left in the linked picture. Case closed.
Post edited March 30, 2016 by Starmaker
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vsr: Which picture? This one?
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F4LL0UT: Sorry, I meant this one. It was used in a source for one of the articles you linked to and if you search for the pic it's used in dozens, if not hundreds, of articles claiming that Polish mercenaries trained by our government were fighting in Ukraine.

Also, I checked two databases of Polish companies that all registered companies appear in (they pop up there just minutes after registration). That alleged PMC ASBS Othago was indeed shut down in 2013 (as an article sourced by Stopfake stated) when Bartłomiej Sienkiewicz took office as minister of interior and was only reopened in late 2015, so the company did not even exist when its employees were supposedly fighting in Ukraine.
Psst, don't let facts interfere with some good propaganda or you may find some radioactive poison in your tea. ;)
I wouldn't like to see you go the "Alexander Litvinenko" way.
Oh I forgot, this never happened either, sorry ministry of truth, my memory wipe is acting up again.
Post edited March 30, 2016 by Klumpen0815
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vsr: Which picture? This one?
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F4LL0UT: Sorry, I meant this one. It was used in a source for one of the articles you linked to and if you search for the pic it's used in dozens, if not hundreds, of articles claiming that Polish mercenaries trained by our government were fighting in Ukraine.

Also, I checked two databases of Polish companies that all registered companies appear in (they pop up there just minutes after registration). That alleged PMC ASBS Othago was indeed shut down in 2013 (as an article sourced by Stopfake stated) when Bartłomiej Sienkiewicz took office as minister of interior and was only reopened in late 2015, so the company did not even exist when its employees were supposedly fighting in Ukraine.
Yes, it is claimed as non-operational officially.
What about our friend Jerzy Dziewulski? :P
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Klumpen0815: Psst, don't let facts infere with some good propaganda or you may find some radioactive poison in your tea. ;)
Pffst. He was found to be most useful as a deadman by his employee (MI-6). Spy games, politics, you know, this kind of stuff.
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Wasn't this thread about the other dictator and not about the KGB guy initially?
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Klumpen0815: Wasn't this thread about the other dictator and not about the KGB guy initially?
Dude, Grybauskaite is an ex-communist. Who knows who is Erdogan?!