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Starmaker: What? Whaaaaaat? Chelyabinsk is fucking poisoned because Cyprus offshores need its export copper, everyone has cancer or asthma or both. Radioactivity, chemical leaks, air pollution, destroying national parks to build secret villain lairs, the whole list.
Putin's only contribution to environmental protection is collapsing the economy.
Yeah. :|

But I guess this thread was about Erdogan once; not even about Turkey or the Turkish people, much less the Russian people and the oscillating extent of the slab of land they were accidentally born on.

But, heck, this thread now perpetually seems to be about random Russian state propaganda deemed unfit for one particular country that has, in the past, been occupied by then Russian governments at the drop of a hat, and is watching the undeniably imperialist efforts of Russia's present leader with justly growing concern. :|

I love the Russian and Turkish people, and in particular the two dozen freelancers I have the honor of working with; and of course, Pussy Riot. Who doesn't love Pussy Riot?

For this love, I'll take the downvotes, with pride.
Post edited March 30, 2016 by Vainamoinen
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Engerek01: ... Erdogan doesnt have the majority of the votes in Turkey. He has 44% at the moment. He leads because other parties fail to unite against him and 10% vote baricade system enables his party to have more deputy despite his lack of votes.
Having such a high vote baricade is indeed a certain sign that a big party tries to silence opposition. Together with controling the media and arresting journalists and many other things I'm currently inclined to say that Turkey isn't a democracy anymore or maybe a dysfunctional democracy. In this case, what do numbers say anymore? Who knows how much percent he would get if the press was free, if the general climate of suppression wouldn't exist, if the vote baricade would be much lower? Nobody knows.

So one cannot really give much on these numbers, unfortunately.

Don't get me wrong. I have nothing against any Turkish citizen. But I think the country is currently rather going down the drain. More freedom, more democracy and more secularity would do much good but unlikely to happen soon, I guess.
It's always the same old story:
The dictators of the world don't like it if one laughs about them.
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Engerek01: You managed to insult my nation, my religion and my life style in one sentence. If is a medal for that, you earned it.

Erdogan doesnt have the majority of the votes in Turkey. He has 44% at the moment. He leads because other parties fail to unite against him and 10% vote baricade system enables his party to have more deputy despite his lack of votes.
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Crosmando: 44% is huge, stop making excuses. Most Turks are ignorant super-religious Muslims who SUPPORT his policies (and probably support the jihadists in Syria and also hate Kurds) and will vote for Erdogan no matter what, otherwise he wouldn't have won so many elections.

It's a shame that Mustafa Kemal didn't civilize and secularize your country more fully and get rid of religious ignorance and feudal mentality. He was definitely the greatest leader the Turks ever had.
have you been in Turkey at least once in your life?
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TARFU: What if the "liars and trolls" are Russian, as in this article? Are they also anti-putin?
http://www.nytimes.com/2015/06/07/magazine/the-agency.html
a) The series of articles on "Troll factory" was part of discrimination campaign that rolled out at Ukraine events. The "suddenly" factor is huge indicator about absence of its neutrality and validity (Saddam also had "suddenly" used the C weapons, exactly before war; Kadaffi & Assad also were "suddenly" evil and so on).

b) US government have likewise issued publically available applications to own equivalent "troll army", which were available to download from official US websites. In 2011, I was able to actually read the official application forms for "spreading democracy and supporting homeland" - no idea if they are available now.

On behalf of this, please answer a rhetorical question wither the US govt "media" agents (trolls) are anti-obama?

On the table which I posted earlier, the russian "troll army" - in case its not be product of yellow liberast fake factory (alternative press) fun-fiction (see modern Ukraine press for a bold example), the troll army would belong to (D) "puppet".

Personally, I believe this russian "troll army" is a huge fake. Its utterly unprofessional and leaking for any secret operation - and such leakage cost would be very reputation damaging, especially in the background of political conflicts at precisely the time point.

I would start such a thing like USA does - on some closed down location, to begin with. I hope logic is your friend.

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TARFU: Also, when Putin has radioactive poison put into your tea to kill you off (Alexander Litvinenko), what group do you need to belong to?
Please don't edit posts once I responded, because this is a very low conversation method.
Also, I am neither Alexander Litvinenko, nor I consider people like him to be any good.

Litvinenko was USSR run-over ex-KGB/FSB agent, who was very similar to Snowden, but differed in several aspects. From what I was able to collect the days he was liquidated:

1) He wanted to sell information to the highest bidder - to representatives of the highest power group cycles.
2) The information was not to be given out to generic public, as such he was a running over agent and not whistleblower.
3) Information was highly political and probably discrimiinating against individual persons.

I want to remind you, that in current USA someone like Litvinentko wouldve been poisoned, then shot, then poisoned again and jailed for 1400 years - with controlled media immediately calling him canibal, pedophile, bank robber, weapon and drug dealer - all at once. With Guantanamo, stone-age information extraction methods are likewise not a problem.

I am not a big fan of current USA, but indeed there are countries much worse.
Current Russia is not on this list, but probably also not on the "better" list. Russia is under constant massive informational attack since Putin came to power and reversed exteranally-issued decomposition into country development.

If I were within circles of the foreign power clan, I would do exactly this against Russia, because its independent development would be not in my interest. Thats reality, unfortunately.
Post edited March 30, 2016 by Lin545
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manero666: that being said i also spent a lot of time talking about the political situation there at the time (2012 if i remember well) and they absolutely hate erdogan and consider him as a fucking dictator (and Atatürk as a hero). same thing when you speak with some turks here in germany, everyone from the illiterate kebab seller to the young university student hate erdogan.

there is also a quite scary story about his imprisonment or him being part of the muslim brotherhood.

the fact that he is still there is because he has a huge army and is heavily supported by the warmongers, chaos-exporters United-motherfucking-States.

i really hope both Turks and Kurds can find they peace and stability one day
That pretty much constites my viewpoint. I find Turkey very progressive and independent for islamic country in good sense of this word; but Erdogan's public image and his actual policy are quite different and ... evil to the extent that they might very well endanger existance of EU, both political and physical.

I think he is trying to build an islamistic empire, which will bring a lot of casualties at same time brainwashing public using media to "heroize" them. Such an empire would contrast with modern values of personal freedoms, would contrast with US and Israel policy and would follow in steps of ISIS.

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manero666: i really hope both Turks and Kurds can find they peace and stability one day
yup.
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Vainamoinen: Who doesn't love Pussy Riot?
Me.
Bravo GOG staff, bravo for the title change! Racism? That's ok. Russian propaganda? No problem. Saying that Hitler did nothing wrong? Fine. But "fuck Erdogan"? Now that's just going too far! We do have some standards here you know!
Post edited March 30, 2016 by Breja
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Breja: Bravo GOG staff, bravo for the title change! Racism? That's ok. Russian propaganda? No problem. Saying that Hitler did nothing wrong? Fine. But "fuck Erdogan"? Now that's just going too far! We do have some standards here you know!
You forgot American propaganda. :(
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Vainamoinen: I love the Russian and Turkish people, and in particular the two dozen freelancers I have the honor of working with; and of course, Pussy Riot. Who doesn't love Pussy Riot?

For this love, I'll take the downvotes, with pride.
I hate Pussy Riot and I have the very reason to. Also Germany does (and suprisingly, their reaction is much more brutal compared to Russian event.)

Now a question - based upon the difference of amount of PR wind up / world media coverage between these pretty similar events - extrapolate who produces more propaganda.

I think people who disrespectfully engage into group sex in the cultural public place or place with children, those who produce "excrement" art AND force it onto public have nothing in common with arts (for comparison: / [url=http://pics.realty.rbc.ru/realty_pics/v3/48/00/a0073ed90789a82cae90e66321d5a440.jpg]art) and should be financially prosecuted and possibly in heavy cases jailed into mental institute (depending upon their mental condition, of course).
Post edited March 30, 2016 by Lin545
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Breja: Bravo GOG staff, bravo for the title change! Racism? That's ok. Russian propaganda? No problem. Saying that Hitler did nothing wrong? Fine. But "fuck Erdogan"? Now that's just going too far! We do have some standards here you know!
Also, multiple references to "faggots" on the Russian forum, among other things. It's an excellent place for a reality check when I feel an overabundance of love for humanity.
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Breja: Bravo GOG staff, bravo for the title change! Racism? That's ok. Russian propaganda? No problem. Saying that Hitler did nothing wrong? Fine. But "fuck Erdogan"? Now that's just going too far! We do have some standards here you know!
Dude, its their place, their server & politics are a dirty topic. Lets not put off flame with kerosine.
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Starmaker: Also, multiple references to "faggots" on the Russian forum, among other things. It's an excellent place for a reality check when I feel an overabundance of love for humanity.
Fagot is a russian anti-tank rocket, which is similar to Javelin.
Fagot is russian word and means "basson".
Post edited March 30, 2016 by Lin545
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Breja: Bravo GOG staff, bravo for the title change!
Last time f**k became Flower XD
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Starmaker: Also, multiple references to "faggots" on the Russian forum, among other things. It's an excellent place for a reality check when I feel an overabundance of love for humanity.
Don't need to go to the Russian forum. Licurg was happy to call me that right here.

I just hope this thread gets closed.

Oh, and that GOG disables writing "ERDOGAN" in capital letters. Just to be on the safe side.
Post edited March 30, 2016 by Breja
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Starmaker: Also, multiple references to "faggots" on the Russian forum, among other things. It's an excellent place for a reality check when I feel an overabundance of love for humanity.
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Breja: Don't need to go to the Russian forum. Licurg was happy to call me that right here.
He called you an anti-tank weapon? :P