Posted November 19, 2014
JiminyJickers
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HereForTheBeer
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Posted November 19, 2014
Arkose: I don't see how advertising would be anything other than offensively anachronistic. This game is set in the year 3300. Just about any product sold today would either no longer exist or have changed into an unrecognisable form.
Ravenvolf: Exactly, it will just be too jarring seeing products from today advertising. Oh, and we'll see commercials for the holographic edition of the complete series of Futurama, which will turn out to be a documentary as everything in the show comes to fruition.
Post edited November 19, 2014 by HereForTheBeer
YaTEdiGo
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From Taiwan
Posted November 19, 2014
Good for them, I am not interested in online games beyond the time I spend on COD or BF games on consoles. I dont play online games on PC.
jamotide
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Jinh_Molton
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Posted November 19, 2014
I am really glad I did not back this, some weeks ago I was thinking about getting the Beta. I decided to wait for the final release and bought Starpoint Gemini here on GOG. Now I see it was the right choice.
JiminyJickers
Ayyy!!!
JiminyJickers Sorry, data for given user is currently unavailable. Please, try again later. View profile View wishlist Start conversation Invite to friends Invite to friends Accept invitation Accept invitation Pending invitation... Unblock chat Registered: Oct 2010
From New Zealand
Posted November 19, 2014
jamotide: Apparently they only refunded the pre orders. DRM free backers or people who helped with beta testing get a big finger.
That really sucks. I don't think that is fair. I'm glad to get away from them then. jamotide: Apparently they only refunded the pre orders. DRM free backers or people who helped with beta testing get a big finger.
MaGo72: I am really glad I did not back this, some weeks ago I was thinking about getting the Beta. I decided to wait for the final release and bought Starpoint Gemini here on GOG. Now I see it was the right choice. Post edited November 19, 2014 by Ravenvolf
forbidden5
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From Germany
Posted November 19, 2014
The "unfortunate" timing and the reports of not honouring refund requests seem really scummy.
I thought I'd been burned once, when pre-ordering an independent title (before KS took off) that eventually took the route of Steam exclusivity. Unlike this project, getting my money refunded worked without an issue back then. It's saddening to hear that the negative experience of such major decisions can be made even worse for some.
There are possibly some issues with Kickstarter, or they're really desperate for the money here, else I don't see denying refund request as a sensible course of action.
I thought I'd been burned once, when pre-ordering an independent title (before KS took off) that eventually took the route of Steam exclusivity. Unlike this project, getting my money refunded worked without an issue back then. It's saddening to hear that the negative experience of such major decisions can be made even worse for some.
There are possibly some issues with Kickstarter, or they're really desperate for the money here, else I don't see denying refund request as a sensible course of action.
Trilarion
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Posted November 19, 2014
aluinie: ... " Kickstarter pledges are an investment into a project, with the understanding that elements of the initial pitch may change or be removed as development progresses. " ...
This is like: "sorry you ordered a game but now you get a nice pink rubber duck so shut up and be happy." I'm sure that this one-sided view is not correct. Even according to the now softer TOS of KS backers and creator have to come to a mutual agreement and creators must make their best effort possible, not just decide for themselves what is good and let backers just be a source of money. In the old version the creators actually had to deliver exactly what they promised. I think this view is unfair and disadvantages the backer and if I would have backed them I would be angry at them. Hopefully this will result in a lot of bad PR and people who are affected are thinking twice about supporting them ever again. They are probably not very trusthworthy.
tomimt
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Posted November 19, 2014
aluinie: ... " Kickstarter pledges are an investment into a project, with the understanding that elements of the initial pitch may change or be removed as development progresses. " ...
Trilarion: This is like: "sorry you ordered a game but now you get a nice pink rubber duck so shut up and be happy." I'm sure that this one-sided view is not correct. Even according to the now softer TOS of KS backers and creator have to come to a mutual agreement and creators must make their best effort possible, not just decide for themselves what is good and let backers just be a source of money. In the old version the creators actually had to deliver exactly what they promised. I think this view is unfair and disadvantages the backer and if I would have backed them I would be angry at them. Hopefully this will result in a lot of bad PR and people who are affected are thinking twice about supporting them ever again. They are probably not very trusthworthy.
I know many people still look KS as some sort of pre-order and many devs are to blame from that as well. But in many cases it really isn't pre-order as much of act of good faith. You trust your money to a project and you trust the devs to do their job well. Sometimes they deliver what they promised, sometimes they omit things from the game because of unforseen developement difficulties.
It is unfortunate that such a big feature as offline has been axed. A lot of people pledged because of that. At the same time Frontier did themselves a disservice when they did sell the game later with a promise of offline. What they should have done in KS was to tell that they would look into it, but not promise it. They did mistakes there and they really aren't handeling the situation as well as they should. But at the same time KS backers should really acknowledge, that no matter how much they give, they aren't pre-purchasing a game with set features. They are purchasing something that MIGHT be.
jamotide
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Posted November 19, 2014
tomimt: It is unfortunate that such a big feature as offline has been axed. A lot of people pledged because of that. At the same time Frontier did themselves a disservice when they did sell the game later with a promise of offline. What they should have done in KS was to tell that they would look into it, but not promise it. They did mistakes there and they really aren't handeling the situation as well as they should. But at the same time KS backers should really acknowledge, that no matter how much they give, they aren't pre-purchasing a game with set features. They are purchasing something that MIGHT be.
That is not all. It is not only about offline. It is also about DRM. Even with this change they could still offer the game DRM free if they let us host our own server. But they chose not to, that is a clear violation of the KS Terms. It has nothing to do with game development or unexpected changes.tomimt
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Posted November 19, 2014
It really isn't violation of KS terms. Their terms are so vague, that the it can be argued in any direction, so in the end as guidelines KS terms are useless. What would be needed is some solid court case about the matter of what must be delivered on the base of a sales pitch.
In the end the whole thing is okay in KS terms, as Frontier will deliver a game. It might not have all the features, but they will deliver a game, that is reasonably close to what they intentented. But just like always, intentionts are not met goals and KS acknowledges that and they have covered their own base with that. If a backer isn't happy with the end product that is, from KS POV, between the backer and the project.
In the end the whole thing is okay in KS terms, as Frontier will deliver a game. It might not have all the features, but they will deliver a game, that is reasonably close to what they intentented. But just like always, intentionts are not met goals and KS acknowledges that and they have covered their own base with that. If a backer isn't happy with the end product that is, from KS POV, between the backer and the project.
ashwald
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From Greece
Posted November 19, 2014
realkman666: Fine, it's necessary. Happy now?
This is glorious. Let the apologists like Mich testify!
MaGo72: Just as a question, can they really get away with saying you have played the game, as it is still a Beta and basically the players are there for testing? The game is not released and not a finished product that is sold. This is glorious. Let the apologists like Mich testify!
jamotide
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Posted November 19, 2014
Of couse it is a violation, they are not delivering a DRM free physical edition. And only because they CHOOSE not to, they make no effort to resolve this in any way. That violates paragraph 4.
tomimt
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jamotide
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Posted November 19, 2014
tomimt: What they are violating is their own original design idea, not KS terms. KS acknowledges that product funded through them are not necessarily 100% match to the origial pitch.
No not those terms.Like I said, paragraph 4. The terms that they have to deliver the pledge rewards or refund or provide some other solution (like our own servers). They are clearly violating that since they are making ZERO effort to resolve anything.
No they have not, as they CHOOSE not to deliver a DRM free edition.