Well, in that case, if those games are fully executable and workable in any PC then my guess is that they are DRM-Free.

Interesting...

After all this time only today did I manage to discover that GOG already has a game by Frontier Developments. :P

I just got the same message. Well, that is the last time I back any of these Kickstarter type projects.

The sad thing is that Kickstarter is getting collateral damage from all this Braben shenanigans.

Let's not forget that many great games (Faster Than Light, Wasteland 2, Paper Sorceror, Divinity 3, etc) were funded through KS and they managed to deliver.

Let's not punish the innocent, folks.

How innocent are they, if their TOS are so wishy washy that Frontier can get away with this kind of stunt? What are they doing right now to pressure Frontier into refunding the money?

They can tell me about it themselves if that's the case.

Wow, not only did you ask people to prove a lack of existence of something, which is a logical fallacy all by itself, JMich with amok ran and actually proved it. And you still failed to bring any actual arguments to the discussion, aside from 'because I say so'.

Yes, you'll find a fair share of people who bother to check their facts and to not spread misinformation around here. That's why I still frequent the boards. I don't have to rely on blind bias and information I get around here are usually surprisingly reliable.

He doesn't need arguments ... In a discussion? Well that's a new one. I'm also fairly sure that in the last discussion, we have figured that it all comes down to local laws of software licensing, which you conveniently forgot. There's nothing in Steam's EULA which would prevent this behaviour.

Look, you can plug your ears and yell 'LALALALA', but you can't change facts. What, mostly JMich, presents here is not an argument - it's a series of factual information. Banging your head against the wall is your choice, but it will not change reality in any way - there are games, on Steam, which use DRMed distribution method (just as GOG), but offer DRM-free games. Even worse, insistance on lying and spreading misinformation instead of just ... You know, presenting the facts, actively harms the 'DRM-free' revolution GOG keeps preaching.

The moment Steam users find that there are games more convenient to use even on their preferred platform, and the moment they realize this is the better way, we get closer and closer towards reality where DRM does not need to be a factor. Of course, if you act in the same manner as Steam fanatics, you're only going to strenghten their resolve.

Extremism and insistance that a single way is the only way to do things is how Steam got its position on the market, pointless loyalty is how it remains in prominence. How can anyone hope to fix any of these issues by joining the underlaying problem is beyond me.

Well that's a load of crap... I know all too well how can software development spin, but you should never make promises that you cannot keep. Every time I see a promise of DRM-free on kickstarter, I see an empty marketing trick to lure more people in - at least say 'We will do our best to bring a DRM-free release'

Well, I didn't get any message back for my refund request for now, but I didn't download, nor play the beta. So that might be it.

But if the first part of the answer is worth for every kickstarter backer, I don't think I have much hope of seeing my money back...

I feel like a bad clone of Thatcher right now :)

There are civil procedures rules in England (where David Braben lives):

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Class_action#United_Kingdom

here is the specific rule:

http://www.justice.gov.uk/courts/procedure-rules/civil/rules/part19#19.6

All you people need is a representative who does the procedings in the UK.

By "innocent" I don't mean the Kickstarter company.
I'm talking about the serious folk who use it in order to materialize their projects.

So it's a single-player game that relies on data from a remote server in order to play? Interesting design decision. I can understand if they wanted the player to be able to experience a dynamic world affected by other players without actually having to deal with other players (to avoid griefing, for instance), but it should be completely possible to make an offline bit of code that still provides that dynamic experience - just maybe not quite as dynamic as one affected by human players.

Those were mostly my thoughts as well, but I don't know how far the 'dynamic' part of the game goes - nonetheless, if it's just players passively changing in which direction the universe evolves, it would be possible to design the game around the idea of periodically synchronizing with the server as opposed to 100% connection time? Unless it's to prevent some sort of cheating?

WHAT THE FUCK!

So in the end it has fuck all to do with 'providing a better experience' and everything to do with selling targeted advertising space.

Christ on a bike, this just gets worse.

Fuck these guys, fuck them right in the ear. It's now officially worse than herpes.

Exactly, it will just be too jarring seeing products from today advertising. A Star Citizen ad would be funny though.

As I mentioned before, if possible request a chargeback from your card provider (although for many too much time may have passed for this to be an option). For those in Europe I'd also recommend submitting complaints to any relevant consumer protection bodies (this goes doubly so for anyone in the UK, as they'll have the most bite with Frontier being UK based). Basically do everything possible to make this a very, very expensive misstep for them.