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General discussionFreedom of speech on GOG general forum ?(284 posts)(284 posts)
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Posted June 18, 2019
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richlind33: Don't look now, but this post has been low rated. lol
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SirPrimalform: Good to know, again.
You had to reply to that, didn't you. So everyone will know I made a gigantic faux pas!

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paladin181: Privately owned companies don't owe you a platform to say whatever you like. Until they are used to represent the government's interest, they cannot be regulated in that fashion by the government. Freedom of speech as per the US constitution (I can't speak for anyone else, so don't correct me, as it doesn't apply to me. :)) only applies to the governmental censorship of speech, not to private entities. After all, that would infringe on THEIR freedom of speech to have to allow you to voice yours on their platform.
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toxicTom: a) GOG is not a US based company ;-)
b) The problem with that is basically ALL social platforms are privately owned. This essentially means there is no freedom of speech, at least not on the internet, because every single platform has the right to delete and ban according to their own rules. Of course from the viewpoint of the individual service this makes completely sense. So in effect there is a right to free speech, but no way to exercise that right completely.
Good point, Tom. Forums like this one are what passes for the "public commons" these days.
Post edited June 18, 2019 by richlind33
Posted June 18, 2019
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SirPrimalform: Freedom of speech does not apply to a private forum.
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fronzelneekburm: It never ceases to amaze me how - without fail - self-proclaimed lefties will suddenly turn into dyed-in-the-wool capitalists when it comes to defending the silencing of anyone remotely to the right of their own bolshevist gospel.
So long as the rules are applied evenly who cares? In my experience they are applied pretty evenly here. So your complaint is moot in the context of this forum.
Posted June 18, 2019
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toxicTom: a) GOG is not a US based company ;-)
b) The problem with that is basically ALL social platforms are privately owned. This essentially means there is no freedom of speech, at least not on the internet, because every single platform has the right to delete and ban according to their own rules. Of course from the viewpoint of the individual service this makes completely sense. So in effect there is a right to free speech, but no way to exercise that right completely.
Well, in the US, certain platforms are regulated. and it appears someone will force the issue sooner or later. Twitter has already had the first step taken, that because it is used to communicate with government officials in the execution of their duty, government officials cannot block users on Twitter. Another step will be taken sooner or later wherein Twitter (and likewise large media companies, much like Television stations were) will be government regulated and won't be allowed to ban people for any issues that aren't legal issues. In other words, having a bad opinion will not allow twitter or youtube to ban your US account sooner or later. Eventually it will happen. Or the government will break them up.
Posted June 18, 2019
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SirPrimalform: Good to know, again.
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richlind33: You had to reply to that, didn't you. So everyone will know I made a gigantic faux pas!
It was moderate at most. :P
Posted June 18, 2019
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richlind33: Good point, Tom. Forums like this one are what passes for the "public commons" these days.
The idea of something being a "public commons" and therefor available for practicing freedom of speech is kind of a grey area to begin with. Partially because many thing that people think are public spaces are actually privately owned and partially because there are many excuses that can be used to circumvent allowing protest in public spaces. A perfect example of this was the occupy camps in various cities. In Toronto they got kicked out cause the park they picked was actually privately owned. In some other places because the municipalities cited health and safety concerns.
Posted June 18, 2019
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richlind33: You had to reply to that, didn't you. So everyone will know I made a gigantic faux pas!
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SirPrimalform: It was moderate at most. :P
Do you really think so?!?!
Posted June 18, 2019
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LootHunter: (Though reputation doesn't actually mean much.)
...Says the poster with -539 rep. :)

(j/k - I agree with you that rep doesn't mean much, and I know that there are people with considerably more rep than either of us who also agree.)
Posted June 18, 2019
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SirPrimalform: Freedom of speech does not apply to a private forum. You're always free to say what you want, you just might be asked to go elsewhere to say it.
That is not a violation of your freedom of speech, nor is it censorship.
It is censorship and with forums like Blizzards, it is something that should have them taken to court for them breaching their own contract.

Those forums have skirted proper accountability by acting like they were a public place or a group of people talking in a park but were really part of a business.
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firstpastthepost: Read the forum rules. Everything you're complaining about is explicitly not allowed to be discussed. There is a strict ban on discussing politics... which isn't necessarily a bad thing. If Gog wants to disallow certain discussion on their forum that's their prerogative.
The quote below clears it up.

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Dray2k: Political discussions not related to a video game are not permitted. Threads created exclusively to talk about politics will be locked. Users who ignore this rule repeatedly will be met with moderation.
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Posted June 18, 2019
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CordisDia: Few weeks ago,i was suspended on steam general forum because i said that one of my ancestors participated in battle of Vienna against Otoman empire ...
Unfortunetly for me, in someone's imaginary point of view - my words were ''disrespectful'' , no matter i said historical fact ...
I have also been banned when i said Julian Assange,Edward Snowden and Donald Trump are heroes of modern era ...There were a lot of other examples like these, i can wrote whole bible here ...

I'm pretty new to GOG, i will buy Cyberpunk here, so im curious - can i expect same level of censorship and crimes against freedom of speech as i witnessed on steam forums ?? Forums there are full of whiny liberalistic snowflakes ,and you can be marked as nationalist,racist,xenophob,nazi,fascist for anything and everything you said ...
Is it the same situation here ?
Steam forums will shut you down uber fast. The GOG forum prefers to just insult you for however long they see fit lol. It's easy to stir the pot here. It's walking on egg shells.
Posted June 18, 2019
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darthspudius: Steam forums will shut you down uber fast. The GOG forum prefers to just insult you for however long they see fit lol. It's easy to stir the pot here. It's walking on egg shells.
STEAM LOVING HEATHEN!!!!!!

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Posted June 18, 2019
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darthspudius: Steam forums will shut you down uber fast. The GOG forum prefers to just insult you for however long they see fit lol. It's easy to stir the pot here. It's walking on egg shells.
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paladin181: STEAM LOVING HEATHEN!!!!!!

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Watch your words or the Gaben will come for you!!!
Posted June 18, 2019
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CordisDia: ...can i expect same level of censorship and crimes against freedom of speech as i witnessed on steam forums ?? Forums there are full of whiny liberalistic snowflakes ,and you can be marked as nationalist,racist,xenophob,nazi,fascist for anything and everything you said ...
Is it the same situation here ?
I have no idea of how the Steam forums are. But you can expect censorship and limited freedom of what you can say. Whiny liberalistic snowflakes may mark you as nationalist, racist, xenophob, nazi or fascist for something you say. The best may be not to post here.
Posted June 18, 2019
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Trilarion: I have no idea of how the Steam forums are. But you can expect censorship and limited freedom of what you can say. Whiny liberalistic snowflakes may mark you as nationalist, racist, xenophob, nazi or fascist for something you say. The best may be not to post here.
Or nationalist, racist, xenophob, nazi fascists may mark you a whiny liberalistic snowflake. It kind of goes both ways. Hence the ban on discussing politics. :)
Posted June 18, 2019
Friendly reminder of what freedom of speech actually is (courtesy of xkcd):

https://xkcd.com/1357/
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ConsulCaesar: Friendly reminder of what freedom of speech actually is (courtesy of xkcd):

https://xkcd.com/1357/
Wasn't there a court decision that being blocked on Twitter IS violation of a right for free speech?

https://www.wired.com/story/donald-trump-blocking-on-twitter-unconstitutional/
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