Lol, wow! -12 is insane. I wish there was actually something we could do.

Thank god i doesn't bother me anymore.

As for you, you can't even post links now and that is total bullshit. When it starts to screw with your ability to function in the forum something has to be done.

Thanks for the vote of support--I wasn't sure anyone even knew who I was, lol. Hopefully GOG fixes the problem soon. :(

I'm all for creating thoughtful signatures that come with lower rep. I lose around 3-5 per day and have some good ones planned for when I reach 66,33, 69, 7, 18, 0, -3, etc.

I know I keep my Lenny faces somewhere for this type of response...
Or be self-aware, a political sistem or set of management WON'T WORK under secluded one-wing influence, that is how we get to be altruistic, besides complete alienation and extremism, but the point is to evade that result, this people are just sensationalist when it comes to managing the masses.

There is no "left-side propaganda' in any main stream media in the US (and less and less in the world as time has gone by). NBC and CNN are "left-side" only in relation to Fox News and others. But they are most definitely nowhere near "left" of "center." Our Democratic Party is to the right of almost all European conservative parties. Our Republican Party is to the right of almost anything on earth, save perhaps the Likud party in Israel and I'm not even sure of that, and some "fringe" parties that crop up. The US population is inundated with nothing but right wing propaganda, it's just some of it is further right than others.

If one wants to see news from a true left-side basis, the internet is the only source, as there is no TV, radio, newspaper, or even magazine (from the "mainstream" media) in the US that meets that goal. But if one is really interested I could provide a link or two.... :p

I'm always confused when ideals such as:

- don't spend money you don't have
- don't murder children
- make sure people follow the written laws
- people in the govt follow and obey the Constitution
- the family unit is the core of society
- gov't should not spy on people without reason
- military should be used for defending our nation, not screwing with other people

are considered completely insane, nut-job right-winger insane.

There are right-wing-nutter ideas out there (like CO2 doesn't change the temp, creating theocratic-like conditions, to name a few).


Yesterday, I was thinking of this thread b/c I watched CNN and FOX News for lunch. FOX was reporting about how the fingerprint stealing scandal is 5x worse than the gov't said it was. CNN was interviewing Bernie Sanders (front-running socialist-leaning democratic presidential nominee) and he was saying what points he did and did not agree with the Pope.

Relevant news vs. democratic party's free commercial.

It certainly does not always go that way.

I'm not sure who considers those "completely insane, nut-job right-winger insane" but if there are people that do, then they're confused. Not murdering children and obeying the law/constitution aren't left/right issues, they're right/wrong issues and I seriously doubt there's any more on the right than the left that would disagree with those.

And government not spying on people is, well, that's pretty left wing. Fascism is considered far to the right and government spying and police state like activities are part and parcel of what it means to be fascist. (or totalitarianism, there have been nominally "left" states with such policies because they're totalitarian not because they ran a communist economy).

I consider myself left of center, and I agree with most everything you typed there, with just slight quibbles with a couple. And I'd bet you'd find many people on the left, and from the right, that agree with most of them too.

ADDED IN EDIT: Oh, reading some response below this one has me wondering about what you meant by "not murdering children." No one agrees with murdering children, and if you're insinuating that a woman having the right to choose what she does with her own body is akin to murdering children, then you sir (or madam) can go straight to hell because that is, and always has been offensive. NO SANE HUMAN BEING agrees with murdering children, and to willfully CHOOSE that language to equal abortion is a willful attempt to inflame rather than discuss the issue.

Here are some things of note:

- don't murder children:
You are probably referring to abortion. The way I see it, the fetus is part of the woman's (or trans man's) body, and it is therefore said parent's decision on what to do with it. (Also, don't forget that sometimes pregnancy can be dangerous; look up "ectopic pregnancy".)

- make sure people follow the written laws:
Sometimes the laws are wrong and should be broken.

- people in the govt follow and obey the Constitution
Actually, some conservatives in the government don't obey it. Take a look at all the laws promoting Christianity (this includes things like the National Prayer Breakfast). According to Amendment I of the Constitution, "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion". Also note, from Amendment XIV Section 1: "No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws." (Case in point: Kim Davis.)

- the family unit is the core of society
This fails for a couple reasons. First, not every family is a healthy unit. Abusive parents exist. Second, when conservatives say "family", they usually mean *their* notion of family and exclude, for example, families with two moms.

I don't get how you can think the Republican party is the sole supporter any of those, other than anti-abortion. Also, they actually spend money at a higher rate than the dems, and it's all corporate welfare. They actually kept the iraq war off the books, then act like there was some major spending by Obama when he first took office and put it on the books. Stuff you won't hear on Fox news.

"- make sure people follow the written laws"

of course you mean like when the Kentucky county clerk ignored the law and the Reps went and held a rally because I guess it's ok to only follow the laws you agree with.

"- military should be used for defending our nation, not screwing with other people"

Hello Iraq war?! In the 2012 Republican Presidential debate, they were asked, "would you declare war on..." and a dumbfounded Paul was the only one that had the correct answer of declaring war is a legislative power not presidential.

Just a technical note, until today Kim Davis was actually a Democrat. (It should be obvious why she switched parties.)

Pet peeve of mine. Fascism is a left-wing philosophy. It involves strong, autocratic centralized government with a strong police state and suppressed individual liberty. That's left wing. Right wing is decreased governmental authority and increased individual liberty. Libertarianism and anarchism are right-wing philosophies. Much of what (at least in the USA) is called "conservatism" is also left-wing for the same reasons.

That's okay, it's just a wrong pet peeve. We all have them.

Here ya go. Scroll down to the left-right linear view and take a gander at where fascism resides.

No, no, I'm aware of the traditional viewpoint of what right and left mean.

My pet peeve is that I think that viewpoint is wrong and frequently self-contradictory. How do you resolve "government should play a small role in peoples lives [sic]" and "more power to police" in the same column?