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Posted September 28, 2015
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Navagon: 8<~~~~~~~~

*Yes, I know it is still 1956 in some parts of America, but most of it's moved on a bit though, right?
The idea that the 1950s was a horrible oppressive suffocating time when minorities were shunned and all women horribly treated is somewhat of a misconception. I suggest anyone not cognizant with this idea please watch photographer Bert Stern's 1958 Jazz On a Summer's Day to see just how awful life was for those poor down-trodden souls living back in those days.
Posted September 28, 2015
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Navagon: ...As an outsider it astounds me that not only do the republicans brag about how much they're holding Obama back and retarding the development of America, but also it seems to have worked and people blame Obama for the very things that the republicans openly brag about causing. How that even works... I don't want to know.
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R8V9F5A2: Another bizarre thing about Republicans, or at least many of their followers, is their failure to see the correlation between taxes and public services, that you can get something for nothing.
That is not an accident. It happens on purpose so people perceive the fact of being taxed as robbery. All those things going on in media are simply very sophisticated PR-strategies. For example the cultural warfare that has been started between urban america and rural america on guns by the NRA.
It is highly effective, people start to battle each other and forget or leave out the actual issue. All those think tanks and lobby groups in Washington DC that receive millions and hundred of millions over the years do actually hard work.

By figuring out how to deepthroat us with more of their neoliberal agenda and at the same time reducing and/or handling the public backlash against such things and raise acceptance for policies that will disadvantage lower and middle class.

watch this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B5tAT6ciJ4s
Posted September 28, 2015
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Mr. D™: Lol LOLOLOL found some thing else LOLOLOLcan`t write LOLOL
FOX panel on the issue if wind farms may LOL blow earth lolo off its orbit

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F0UkH81NMTo
It's funny, yes, but it's not a FOX panel. IIRC "In the Know" was a "show" that The Onion used to do. Or not. But it's not a Fox News Panel, that is for sure.

ADDED: Yep, it's a The Onion production.
Post edited September 28, 2015 by OldFatGuy
Posted September 28, 2015
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Mr. D™: @ hedwards

Hey I am not american, but as far as I`ve read your posts and given the fact that you seem to be unFOXable I think you should take a look at Bernie Sanders
He`s is closing up to AND overtaking Clinton, and the fact that the corporate media tries everything to marginalize him is I think a good sign. He has an active youtube channel.

He has no Super-PAC and he opposes those shitty trade deals (that would affect my country in a very bad way). And he draws WAY bigger crowds than any other candidate. Again I am not american, and this is not my election. But I imagine you could prefer him above all other candidates easily

http://elections.huffingtonpost.com/pollster/2016-national-democratic-primary
I'd have to take a look and then consider the other options. My biggest concern with him is that he'll turn out to be another Ralph Nader that gets us 8 years of incompetent, corrupt and mean-spirited GOP rule.
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Navagon: 8<~~~~~~~~

*Yes, I know it is still 1956 in some parts of America, but most of it's moved on a bit though, right?
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noncompliantgame: The idea that the 1950s was a horrible oppressive suffocating time when minorities were shunned and all women horribly treated is somewhat of a misconception. I suggest anyone not cognizant with this idea please watch photographer Bert Stern's 1958 Jazz On a Summer's Day to see just how awful life was for those poor down-trodden souls living back in those days.
Not really, it does get a bit played up for women, at least women who came from families with money. But, I don't think a non-American is really in a position to tell the rest of us it wasn't that bad. It was better than the '20s as we weren't lynching as many people. But, the '50s were a terrible and embarassing period of American history. The red scare had people being blacklisted for life over alleged connections and people were still being lynched with little or no hope of the perpetrators being caught and sentenced.
Post edited September 28, 2015 by hedwards
Posted September 28, 2015
You say it wasn't that bad in the 50s? Tell Emmett Till that it wasn't bad:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emmett_Till
Posted September 28, 2015
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hedwards: My biggest concern with him is that he'll turn out to be another Ralph Nader that gets us 8 years of incompetent, corrupt and mean-spirited GOP rule.
Never heard of that president. 19th century?
Posted September 28, 2015
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hedwards: My biggest concern with him is that he'll turn out to be another Ralph Nader that gets us 8 years of incompetent, corrupt and mean-spirited GOP rule.
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Mr. D™: Never heard of that president. 19th century?
Ralph Nader wasn't President, but he stole enough votes from Al Gore to hand the election to Bush. He ran again in 2004 handing the election to President Bush again.

3rd part candidates with little hope of winning are rarely a good thing as they take votes away from candidates that might win.

Perhaps, I'm being a tad cynical there, I just don't think he has the popular support necessary to get the nomination. I'll probably vote for him in the primary for the same reason that I voted for McCain in the primary in 2008.
Posted September 28, 2015
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Mr. D™: Never heard of that president. 19th century?
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hedwards: Ralph Nader wasn't President, but he stole enough votes from Al Gore to hand the election to Bush. He ran again in 2004 handing the election to President Bush again.

3rd part candidates with little hope of winning are rarely a good thing as they take votes away from candidates that might win.

Perhaps, I'm being a tad cynical there, I just don't think he has the popular support necessary to get the nomination. I'll probably vote for him in the primary for the same reason that I voted for McCain in the primary in 2008.
Bush did not win the election. Al Gore did. The reason Bush jr got president was manipulation of votes on republican sides and also because daddy bush had some buddies within the supreme court.
And yes blaming any other person for bush jr`s 8 years of incompetence, corruption and meanspirited GOP rule is something the GOP and corporate media does all the time.
And there will be of course no hope if you already give up instead of unite with others behind someone not corrupt, someone who is willing to fight for you. Don`t give up hope dude ;)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rtBVuye4fZQ&amp;spfreload=10
http://elections.huffingtonpost.com/pollster/2016-national-democratic-primary
Post edited September 28, 2015 by Mr. D™
Posted September 28, 2015
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hedwards: Not really, it does get a bit played up for women, at least women who came from families with money. But, I don't think a non-American is really in a position to tell the rest of us it wasn't that bad. It was better than the '20s as we weren't lynching as many people. But, the '50s were a terrible and embarassing period of American history. The red scare had people being blacklisted for life over alleged connections and people were still being lynched with little or no hope of the perpetrators being caught and sentenced.
The US in the 50s still had Eugenics programs running - one that lasted in parts, in some from, until the 70s/80s.

There are a lot of hidden things all countries and societies deal with that those in other countries dont realise from their perspective - although most people in the US dont seem to realise this particular fact either.
Posted September 28, 2015
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R8V9F5A2: Another bizarre thing about Republicans, or at least many of their followers, is their failure to see the correlation between taxes and public services, that you can get something for nothing.
The republicans seem quite happy with the idea of tax money being spent on killing people, but puke up their kidneys at the idea of it being used to save anyone. The only logical conclusion is that they hate people with a passion.

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R8V9F5A2: When Big Corp lobbyists are as powerful as they are in the US any positive change in welfare for the average citizen is rather unlikely. The fulfillment of electoral promises will thus depend on how much these powerful lobbyists are willing to secede. These big American corporations don't even have to pay taxes in their own country, that's how powerful they have become in influencing policy. Not that this kind of legalized corruption is unique to the US in any way.
It is kind of amazing how corporations who don't pay tax to the US government have as much sway as they do with the US government.

If money isn't going from these corporations into the US government's bank account...

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noncompliantgame: The idea that the 1950s was a horrible oppressive suffocating time when minorities were shunned and all women horribly treated is somewhat of a misconception. I suggest anyone not cognizant with this idea please watch photographer Bert Stern's 1958 Jazz On a Summer's Day to see just how awful life was for those poor down-trodden souls living back in those days.
It's widely acknowledged that the fifties were a pretty rough era for many. Things were still bad in the sixties. But at least then there was a real chance for change. I don't see how some film is supposed to change historical reality that those who lived through it know all about. Of course there are exceptions to the rule. But the rule stands.
Posted September 28, 2015
This is a silly argument because things were obviously worse in the 70s.

People actually willingly went out in public with those fucking clothes on!
Posted September 28, 2015
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tinyE: This is a silly argument because things were obviously worse in the 70s.

People actually willingly went out in public with those fucking clothes on!
And now people step outside with Crocs footwear and wear scarves all year round.

It still surprises me how human population can grow in these conditions.
Posted September 29, 2015
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Navagon: 8<~~~~~~~~
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noncompliantgame: The idea that the 1950s was a horrible oppressive suffocating time when minorities were shunned and all women horribly treated is somewhat of a misconception. I suggest anyone not cognizant with this idea please watch photographer Bert Stern's 1958 Jazz On a Summer's Day to see just how awful life was for those poor down-trodden souls living back in those days.
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Navagon: It's widely acknowledged that the fifties were a pretty rough era for many. Things were still bad in the sixties. But at least then there was a real chance for change. I don't see how some film is supposed to change historical reality that those who lived through it know all about. Of course there are exceptions to the rule. But the rule stands.
Did you watch the entire feature?

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hedwards: 8<~~~~~~~~
Did you watch the entire feature?
Post edited October 03, 2015 by noncompliantgame
Posted September 29, 2015
Foxy research:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=umqvYhb3wf4#t=1m54s
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