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yyahoo: Or you could have a rep minimum for voting like you do for posting links, but make it higher, like maybe 100. It takes a while on the forums to get a 100 rep and would be quite a bit of work to create a legion of alts with at least 100 rep in order to screw with the post voting...
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BKGaming: That's what I said too in another thread, seems to be a logical quick to implement solution to me.
Count me in. + post history
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Luned: Also, an "Ignore All Posts by This User" button would be useful. People could simply choose not to have posts from users they dislike shown to them.
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IAmSinistar: This. Even if it means no-one will ever read one of my posts again.
Agreed...
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itchy01ca01: And I was there in beginning with BBS's, gopher, etc. My experience differs greatly from yours, obviously, but yours is the "right one" because you have the rep i guess.
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Luned: While I agree that 100 seems to be an excessive threshold, I do believe that a low threshold number, say 10, is a reasonable limit. It takes a relatively small amount of time to gain this number, but not so much that someone who actually wants to participate in the community will find it difficult to achieve.
I only suggested a higher number feeling that something like 10 days (1 post each day for each alt) wouldn't be enough time to discourage building up an alt army, but sure, a smaller number could work, maybe 30-50...
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Luned: While I agree that 100 seems to be an excessive threshold, I do believe that a low threshold number, say 10, is a reasonable limit. It takes a relatively small amount of time to gain this number, but not so much that someone who actually wants to participate in the community will find it difficult to achieve.
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yyahoo: I only suggested a higher number feeling that something like 10 days (1 post each day for each alt) wouldn't be enough time to discourage building up an alt army, but sure, a smaller number could work, maybe 30-50...
I'd say at-least 50 would be better than 10. Not so high it would take a long time to reach, but not so low you can also reach it to quickly.
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Ciris: I'm passing this on to our web team and decision-makers now, so your vote will definitely be heard in the discussions that are going on regarding the forums.
Some suggestions:

1.) Get rid of the rep.
There is no obvious use in it, with the only exception of being an indicator on who is trustworthy enough to be allowed to partake in GA's.

2.) If you really think, your customers need some kind of e-Peen (and some threads of late seem to encourage that view), why not do, what GamersGate (note the s, this is about the shop, not the idiots convention) does, and give your customers experience points, based on their purchases - would everyone show, who is an actual customer (aka: an active buyer) and who's only here for the freebies and GA's.

3.) Since lately a lot of drama threads started about the loss of rep.
Now, let's say (for whatever reasons), you don't want to get rid of the rep, and you also don't want to "reward" purchases... then why not change the "minus"-button to a "hide"-button instead?
It would work exactly as it does now, (= hiding posts, you don't want to see) - BUT... without actually having a de-repping effect on a users rep-number...(as it has now).

That way, rep would only ever increase, but never decrease.
And its worth as an indicator for ...well, whatever... would still stand, as people who don't contribute to the forum in a positive, and / or constructive way, wouldn't receive many upvotes (but many hides, instead).

4.) Using the forum for the last days proves one thing to me: We definitely need a "Block User" / "Ignore User" - Button. Some of the threads that were made in the last few days (and some that were made some longer time ago, but then to a lesser extent), made me aware, that I would be a much more happy camper, if only I could choose to hide some users and their worldview from my sight, completely.

Thank you for your time - and maybe you include some of my suggestions into your discussions.
The easiest way is just to abandon the down vote, remove the - and also make sure that handy people cannot still circumvail the voting.
i myself will never downvote a reply/post that i dont like or think its below a certain level.
if you dont like something then dont read it.



example:

Exampleuser1000 sees 10 posts of Exampleuser111109 , he/she can only vote on ONE of this users posts,
after the vote is done, he/she has to wait 24 hour before he/she can vote on a topic from that user again, he/she is therefore limited to 1 unique vote on a post of 1 user, withing 24 hours, he/she can repeat this for every user but only 1 vote per 1 user topic.
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Ciris: Thanks for the valuable input! I'm passing this on to our web team and decision-makers now, so your vote will definitely be heard in the discussions that are going on regarding the forums.
I'm glad to read there are on-going discussions on the way the forums function. i hope this does not just translate into blaming those being abused ( ie indicating that we should end giveaways and stop discussing anything that may attract the attention of our marvelous new friend(s) ) .

Imho, downvoting should not be the focus. Simply remove the possibility to downvote anyone and replace reps by a "level" based on the number of games you actually own and on the number of days you have been active on the fora.

The issue is how easy it is to create alt profiles, including profiles with avatar and name grossly usurpated from genuine users. There should be preventive and detective controls

Another issue is how this community and site is attractive for those willing to milk the generosity of others. This calls for more user discipline regarding giveaways, and for a different way to attribute free GOG games: instead of awarding them upon regsitration make them a fidelity bonus : some received after first purchase and others on anniversaries or after a certain number of purchases. reward your customers first.

Then dissociate forum access and customer account. If a user behaves wrongly ( eg sending insults to other users) , scrap him for a while from the fora. If he continues, ban him from the fora. All of this while respecting his rights re owned games.

This also calls for an effective ban policy. You might remember that letting people get harassed on your fora may result, in some juridictions, in your responsibility being put into question, although this is statistically unprobable. But you should also take into account how an adverse shopping experience could be damageable to any business.

It's not only the fora though. PMs / Chat are a mess. Existing restrictions ( chat with friends) are penalizing, whereas the "open to all" approach allows abuse. Result: when under attack , you're pushed into isolation. that's exactly what an harasser wants.
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Ciris: I'm passing this on to our web team and decision-makers now, so your vote will definitely be heard in the discussions that are going on regarding the forums.
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BreOl72: Some suggestions:

1.) Get rid of the rep.
There is no obvious use in it, with the only exception of being an indicator on who is trustworthy enough to be allowed to partake in GA's.

2.) If you really think, your customers need some kind of e-Peen (and some threads of late seem to encourage that view), why not do, what GamersGate (note the s, this is about the shop, not the idiots convention) does, and give your customers experience points, based on their purchases - would everyone show, who is an actual customer (aka: an active buyer) and who's only here for the freebies and GA's.

3.) Since lately a lot of drama threads started about the loss of rep.
Now, let's say (for whatever reasons), you don't want to get rid of the rep, and you also don't want to "reward" purchases... then why not change the "minus"-button to a "hide"-button instead?
It would work exactly as it does now, (= hiding posts, you don't want to see) - BUT... without actually having a de-repping effect on a users rep-number...(as it has now).

That way, rep would only ever increase, but never decrease.
And its worth as an indicator for ...well, whatever... would still stand, as people who don't contribute to the forum in a positive, and / or constructive way, wouldn't receive many upvotes (but many hides, instead).

4.) Using the forum for the last days proves one thing to me: We definitely need a "Block User" / "Ignore User" - Button. Some of the threads that were made in the last few days (and some that were made some longer time ago, but then to a lesser extent), made me aware, that I would be a much more happy camper, if only I could choose to hide some users and their worldview from my sight, completely.

Thank you for your time - and maybe you include some of my suggestions into your discussions.
true, thats kinda like the way i see it aswell.
'rewarding' users , be carefull with that, cause some might be going bananas, cause when they get reward scores/points this will create a competition, now they do it because they wanna help, when it gets 'rewarded'
things might go out of control.

I've been around for a long while and i know what can happen, been a mod in small community 6 years now ( 400 users max.) and believe me >50 users and it will get out of control, furthermore i believe that if and when forum mods should be needed for, i think it be better to have paid mods, like official GOG staff that does coding, mailing and support, this way it will stay professional and there will never be a reason that people might be thinking that differnces will be made between users.

Free mods is okay if the community is a non profit forum, free site builders, and poem forums can handle it with free mods, but as soon as its a commrcial thing it be better to have an official GOG team as forum staff , and fully paid like normal GOG staff.
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Ciris: Thanks for the valuable input! I'm passing this on to our web team and decision-makers now, so your vote will definitely be heard in the discussions that are going on regarding the forums.
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Phc7006: I'm glad to read there are on-going discussions on the way the forums function. i hope this does not just translate into blaming those being abused ( ie indicating that we should end giveaways and stop discussing anything that may attract the attention of our marvelous new friend(s) ) .

Imho, downvoting should not be the focus. Simply remove the possibility to downvote anyone and replace reps by a "level" based on the number of games you actually own and on the number of days you have been active on the fora.
very good suggestions
Post edited August 04, 2015 by gamesfreak64
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Luned: Also, an "Ignore All Posts by This User" button would be useful. People could simply choose not to have posts from users they dislike shown to them.
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IAmSinistar: This. Even if it means no-one will ever read one of my posts again.
You mean like this?



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Phc7006: [...]

Then dissociate forum access and customer account. If a user behaves wrongly ( eg sending insults to other users) , scrap him for a while from the fora. If he continues, ban him from the fora. All of this while respecting his rights re owned games.

[...]
This is already the way things work - getting banned from the forun does not restrict your access to your account and your games. Unfortunately, the forum ban does not come with a PM restriction which means that whoever gets banned can still contact anyone behind the scenes.
And it goes on. I'm not even sure where I've been down repped. I miss the old forum. It use to be such a happier place.

It's getting tiresome and I've had enough of it. To leave or not that is the question...
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yyahoo:
Unfortunately (as has been proven in the past - quite a few times), certain older users with high rep have been the ones downvoting the new users. This would only magnify their ability to do that.
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IAmSinistar: It is highly unlikely to lead to the "insular elites" that some people fear, as the GOG community is not monolithic enough for that to really take hold. Nor do I think most long-term members here have an agenda that way.
So you've entirely forgotten about what happened in ninja thread, everything you've been told about this happening previously etc etc?!

To recap:

It has happened before, its happening now and will continue to happen as long as the option is there for the "insular elites"
Post edited August 05, 2015 by Sachys
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Sachys: Unfortunately (as has been proven in the past - quite a few times), certain older users with high rep have been the ones downvoting the new users. This would only magnify their ability to do that.

It has happened before, its happening now and will continue to happen as long as the option is there for the "insular elites"
I concur and only the folks affected by it are really aware of this happening for a long time now. Apart from the downfall of the original Ninja thread there was also another recent epidemic of silent down repping and the reason why it wasn't clearly visible to others is that the people doing it are more seasoned then the ejit troll that has been using alts for low rating all the posts.

It is a cult of old members that has been involved in it and I am sure they are abusing some kind of script as for a while the rep was going down by 6 points daily for Sachys, tinyE and myself (to name a few) without any of our posts actually showing low rated before this recent alt abuser fiasco.
Post edited August 05, 2015 by stg83
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stg83:
"1669 Discunted" - because the "o" wouldnt fit!

TBH, had we not been posting we'd be in the same boat as some others who have been hit for -300.
We should maybe make a club with cool embroidered jackets!
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darthspudius: And it goes on. I'm not even sure where I've been down repped.
I think it was when you had yer heed stuck in that bin again!

...I know thats when I took yer wallet... nasty empty thing it is!
Post edited August 05, 2015 by Sachys
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Sachys: "1669 Discunted" - because the "o" wouldnt fit!

TBH, had we not been posting we'd be in the same boat as some others who have been hit for -300.
We should maybe make a club with cool embroidered jackets!
I was also keeping track of the situation for a while in my forum tag original number was around "350" for me when it started up again. Indeed if it weren't for me posting quite often on the forum I would have been back in the negatives long ago on my way to -100 again.

The club logo could be a phoenix embroidered on those jackets to represent the continued perseverance with our posts here. ;)