Posted August 04, 2015
Looks like there's plenty of good discussion. Time to comment.
@Pheace, post 6:
"His arguments seemed perfectly legit to me, a system like that doesn't do enough."
Please explain.
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@itchy01ca01, posts 11 and 14:
"But this just moves power from one base to another. Like the rich getting richer thing. Not something I would agree with.
DivisionByZero seems to have some good points."
-> Good insight (and +1). The current problem is that the GOG forums are currently anarchy masquerading as democracy. That's why there are so many people demanding that the voting system be abolished in favor of an oligarchy (reputation requirement to vote, or appointed moderators).
An oligarchy wouldn't work well either and could very well cause just as many problems. For example:
-Suppose a 100 reputation requirement to upvote/downvote gets imposed. What if a large number of people with 100+ rep form a group to block people below 100 reputation through suppressive downvoting (so no one else can get 100+ rep)
-What happens if a large number of people with 100+ rep start offering votes to users in exchange for favors/gifts? Corruption at its worst.
"But once again, a shift in power, and with power come corruption. Get enough of the regulars together who don't like a person and that person is then bullied into silence. This can go either way. At least with the system we have now it is completely open and free, with no community players being involved. It's not perfect or even great, but at least its honest."
-> Exactly. The advantage of my solution: providing equal and fair protection to everyone, no matter how popular or unpopular you are.
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@yyahoo, post 9 and BKGaming, post 10:
"Or you could have a rep minimum for voting like you do for posting links, but make it higher, like maybe 100. It takes a while on the forums to get a 100 rep and would be quite a bit of work to create a legion of alts with at least 100 rep in order to screw with the post voting..."
"That's what I said too in another thread, seems to be a logical quick to implement solution to me."
-> See above explanation on why an oligarchy implementation (rep requirement or appointed forum users as moderators) is a bad idea
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@yyahoo, post 13:
"The problem, as others have defined it, are users with zero or negative rep creating innumerable alt accounts (also with little to no rep) in order to abuse the voting/rep system. The system as proposed by the TS would not stop such a thing. Earning 100 rep takes some time and work, hopefully too much to make creating a ton of alt accounts with enough rep to make a difference voting-wise worthwhile. "
-> Read my last suggestion on weighting votes based on the total value of games and gift codes registered to a user. Trash alts will have few/no games registered to them so their downvotes wouldn't be worth a crap.
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@Bookwyrm627, post 16
"Anyone that continually provides help in the same thread can't get credit (such as it is) for continuing to help. Example from personal experience: User One installs a game to play, then creates a thread to ask a few questions before starting. User Two comes along and answers those questions. User One starts playing and has a few more questions, which User Two then answers. Rinse and repeat. User Two is limited in getting rep for being a helper as both users have one bookmarked thread for the Q&A. The work around would be for User One to create a new thread every time he had a new question, which User Two might or might not see. "
-> You bring up a very good argument here. I'm thinking that perhaps the restriction on upvotes shouldn't apply to threads marked as Question/Help.
"Damage to rep for being a jerk is limited. A troll gets free reign to crap all over a thread after taking that initial hit. Other users either have to migrate to a new thread (with the troll happily following along), or just suffer through the trolling."
-> Except that trolls and trash alts would have a low voting weight and actual proper users would have a higher voting weight.
"You want to require people to participate in spam threads before being able to mark them as spam? I'm guessing you didn't help out when the korean spam bots came visiting, some time back."
-> No, that's why there's a "Report spam" button.
@Pheace, post 6:
"His arguments seemed perfectly legit to me, a system like that doesn't do enough."
Please explain.
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@itchy01ca01, posts 11 and 14:
"But this just moves power from one base to another. Like the rich getting richer thing. Not something I would agree with.
DivisionByZero seems to have some good points."
-> Good insight (and +1). The current problem is that the GOG forums are currently anarchy masquerading as democracy. That's why there are so many people demanding that the voting system be abolished in favor of an oligarchy (reputation requirement to vote, or appointed moderators).
An oligarchy wouldn't work well either and could very well cause just as many problems. For example:
-Suppose a 100 reputation requirement to upvote/downvote gets imposed. What if a large number of people with 100+ rep form a group to block people below 100 reputation through suppressive downvoting (so no one else can get 100+ rep)
-What happens if a large number of people with 100+ rep start offering votes to users in exchange for favors/gifts? Corruption at its worst.
"But once again, a shift in power, and with power come corruption. Get enough of the regulars together who don't like a person and that person is then bullied into silence. This can go either way. At least with the system we have now it is completely open and free, with no community players being involved. It's not perfect or even great, but at least its honest."
-> Exactly. The advantage of my solution: providing equal and fair protection to everyone, no matter how popular or unpopular you are.
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@yyahoo, post 9 and BKGaming, post 10:
"Or you could have a rep minimum for voting like you do for posting links, but make it higher, like maybe 100. It takes a while on the forums to get a 100 rep and would be quite a bit of work to create a legion of alts with at least 100 rep in order to screw with the post voting..."
"That's what I said too in another thread, seems to be a logical quick to implement solution to me."
-> See above explanation on why an oligarchy implementation (rep requirement or appointed forum users as moderators) is a bad idea
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@yyahoo, post 13:
"The problem, as others have defined it, are users with zero or negative rep creating innumerable alt accounts (also with little to no rep) in order to abuse the voting/rep system. The system as proposed by the TS would not stop such a thing. Earning 100 rep takes some time and work, hopefully too much to make creating a ton of alt accounts with enough rep to make a difference voting-wise worthwhile. "
-> Read my last suggestion on weighting votes based on the total value of games and gift codes registered to a user. Trash alts will have few/no games registered to them so their downvotes wouldn't be worth a crap.
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@Bookwyrm627, post 16
"Anyone that continually provides help in the same thread can't get credit (such as it is) for continuing to help. Example from personal experience: User One installs a game to play, then creates a thread to ask a few questions before starting. User Two comes along and answers those questions. User One starts playing and has a few more questions, which User Two then answers. Rinse and repeat. User Two is limited in getting rep for being a helper as both users have one bookmarked thread for the Q&A. The work around would be for User One to create a new thread every time he had a new question, which User Two might or might not see. "
-> You bring up a very good argument here. I'm thinking that perhaps the restriction on upvotes shouldn't apply to threads marked as Question/Help.
"Damage to rep for being a jerk is limited. A troll gets free reign to crap all over a thread after taking that initial hit. Other users either have to migrate to a new thread (with the troll happily following along), or just suffer through the trolling."
-> Except that trolls and trash alts would have a low voting weight and actual proper users would have a higher voting weight.
"You want to require people to participate in spam threads before being able to mark them as spam? I'm guessing you didn't help out when the korean spam bots came visiting, some time back."
-> No, that's why there's a "Report spam" button.