Posted May 16, 2016
yogsloth
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drealmer7
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Posted May 16, 2016
*runs by yogsloth**glares**makes eyebrows at yogsloth*
clearer now? want to wrestle? (a soft claim referencing professional wrestling would have been probably too obvious if cristi had made it, but it would have been funny - "hulk hogan is my best friend!" or perhaps way more subtle, but still probably too obvious "I've locked my keys in my car, but I have a solution." [get it? get it?])
clearer now? want to wrestle? (a soft claim referencing professional wrestling would have been probably too obvious if cristi had made it, but it would have been funny - "hulk hogan is my best friend!" or perhaps way more subtle, but still probably too obvious "I've locked my keys in my car, but I have a solution." [get it? get it?])
Bookwyrm627
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Posted May 16, 2016
yogsloth: You think I'm bussing my buddy? Why would I do that?
The fact is, I actually don't feel real great about my vote. But again, with no flips, it all feels completely random anyway.
You're distancing, in case he goes off the edge. Would you bus a buddy who's put himself in danger? Oh yes. The fact is, I actually don't feel real great about my vote. But again, with no flips, it all feels completely random anyway.
Lead up:
-Babark kicks the Day off with a push on Drealmer (easy lynch bait, might be a PR).
-Adalia is also out for Drealmer.
-Cristigale claims. Drealmer is obviously not the exorcist, and both other PR's are dead.
-Adalia is all "Lets go somewhere else", votes Trent.
-Babark is all "kk!", votes Trent.
-Adalia is like "Oh snap, we're gonna get outed.", votes Babark.
Now Yog posts primarily to his buddies:
Post 843: "You guys done F'd up."
Post 848: "I'm trying to come up with a way to get us out of this."
Post 864: "Seriously, Adalia?"
Post 865: "a4plz doesn't have a good record, and there isn't a whole lot to use to credibly push on anyone else."
Post 870: "If you want to be lynched so badly, Adalia, then I guess I have to help you out."
Post 872: "Sorry teammates, I'm looking for a way to keep us afloat, but you're in a corner."
yogsloth
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Posted May 16, 2016
lmao
It sounds so good, I almost wish it were true. That does sound like me, actually.
It sounds so good, I almost wish it were true. That does sound like me, actually.
Bookwyrm627
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Posted May 16, 2016
drealmer7: I didn't need to think at all who he meant. I was making a point. My point stands. You really didn't understand that about that post?
The only players who are certain about other player's alignment are Evil and the undertaker. Our undertaker has claimed and I don't believe it to be fake. Logic concludes in order to be "certain", adalia must be scum.
Do you not agree?
No, I don't agree. I would build a castle out solid gold, with polonium plating, using a foundation of pure air, before I would try to base anything on your point here. The only players who are certain about other player's alignment are Evil and the undertaker. Our undertaker has claimed and I don't believe it to be fake. Logic concludes in order to be "certain", adalia must be scum.
Do you not agree?
Lets look at the exchange one more time.
adaliabooks: By causing chaos, by accusing anyone who dares to call you out or find you scummy of being scum. Scum will never NK someone who is accusing and hounding other townies, and I know for certain you are doing that to at least one person, so scum aren't going to take you out.
drealmer7: The only way you could know for "certain" that I'm "hounding townies" is if you're scum. Care to clarify for me who the townie is you're referring to, scum? Thanks for clarifying yourself as scum, at least. Assume, just for the length of time it takes you to read this sentence, that Adalia is town: Adalia was saying that he knows he is town (see Fact, above), and you are hounding him, therefore he knows you are hounding at least one town player.
You are literally, literally!, calling him scum because he claims to know that his alignment is town.
drealmer7
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yogsloth
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Posted May 16, 2016
Tell you what wyrm - let's go with your plan, but put me last.
You wan to use your mega-vote on adalia today?
You wan to use your mega-vote on adalia today?
Bookwyrm627
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Posted May 16, 2016
drealmer7: Does anyone want to consider the that it is possibly a 9v4 setup? (as I explained previously, agent could have essentially tried to make the mechanics be 4 lives for Good, which could lend to the possibility of 4 Evil.)
I don't think there are 4 scum. They already get quite a bit of cover from the lack of flips, and if the coroner got lynched we'd lose that source too. A random kill on the doctor could easily happen, so 4 lives versus 4 lives doesn't hold up. yogsloth: Tell you what wyrm - let's go with your plan, but put me last.
You wan to use your mega-vote on adalia today?
I'm fine with you being last. You wan to use your mega-vote on adalia today?
There's a spectre related issue with my vote today, sadly. What I'd really like to see is more living players using their vote, even if not on the scum team.
drealmer7
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Posted May 16, 2016
Bookwyrm627: You are literally, literally!, calling him scum because he claims to know that his alignment is town.
*sigh* *puts self on table* (tips appreciated)
Seriously, I'm not as dumb of a player as most of you seem to think. I know what I'm doing (most of the time, anyway) and do it with intention/purpose. To me, that statement of mine was a simple scum-hunting tactic. I'm trying to provoke a response/reaction that I can then read. The response I got read scum to me. Had he responded "no, it's ME, I'm the townie you're hounding and you're going to mislynch me, I "certain" of MY alignment" or somesuch, I would have had to re-evaluate adalia more. How he was just reads scum to me. Defeated, resolved to be killed, loss of WIM scum. (that's "want/s/ing it more" I learned from the tournament game, and think it is a good term to describe the vim of a player.)
locw tried giving adalia an opening to re-invigorate his WIM, but he did not (no time to properly post, he says, which is highly possible, of course, but I feel still an example of the loss of WIM and also an excuse because he needs more time to "figure it out and gather himself" to paraphrase HSL's understanding of adalia's standard play-style as scum when he's been called out and under pressure.)
Adalia has instead asked that we wait until he is back later tonight to lynch him. WHY?! He's already claimed and he seems to have nothing more to add to analysis/insight for the game (my guess is he's just hoping his wagon fully stalls and the tables turn somehow.) He's spent his time bickering with me rather than trying to make a case that he's Good. He should have done it already, not be asking for us to wait longer. IMO, of course.
*ramble ramble*
wyrm your argument against the 9v4 seems quite sound to me and I agree it is more likely 10v3, but I wanted to propose the idea for others to think about moving forward (others please chime in with what you think either way with 3 or 4 Evil.)
HypersomniacLive
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Posted May 16, 2016
JMich: Question, is my post 832 misrepresenting adalia's views up to that point, or not? If yes, how do you explain his posts I mentioned in 885? If no, then why are you saying I am misrepresenting him?
Oh, and do have a vote for all your attempts to discredit me. I was willing to give you the benefit of the doubt, but I doubt I can do that any more.
Vote HypersomniacLive
drealmer7's must to be utterly happy. Oh, and do have a vote for all your attempts to discredit me. I was willing to give you the benefit of the doubt, but I doubt I can do that any more.
Vote HypersomniacLive
Ah, now your post #832 was about everything adaliabooks had said up to that point. So, why didn't you make it clear in post #832, and only came up with other posts of his after I drew attention to that post of yours? Why didn’t you address any of his posts earlier? Where were you when some of us were questioning adaliabooks D2?
Plenty of time passed till you mentioned any other posts, and only after I pointed out what I did; it could be that you had those posts in mind from the beginning, or only pulled them up later in an attempt to support your argument and to make yourself look better. We won't know until after the game, will we now?
Still, I had read those posts, and I reread them, and still don’t see the “advocating both the dead players were lying scum”. cristigale more or less made my point regarding adaliabooks’ other posts and your take on them.
Posts #744, #753, #786, and #789 were all made before cristigale came forward. In the first one he makes a case for Town and Mafia HijacK, and in the second one he reiterates his thoughts of why HijacK was more likely Scum; I don’t see where he lumps them together as lying scum [emphasis added]:
adaliabooks: [...]
But I know I'm town, and can be fairly sure Bookwyrm and cristi are too; [...]
[…] Maybe he was just too busy with RL, but it feels much more like he was scum to me and I'm more than comfortable making that assumption and basing my behaviour on that.
But I know I'm town, and can be fairly sure Bookwyrm and cristi are too; [...]
[…] Maybe he was just too busy with RL, but it feels much more like he was scum to me and I'm more than comfortable making that assumption and basing my behaviour on that.
adaliabooks: [...] I'm fairly convinced she is, but I'm not completely ruling out that she could be scum. [...]I agree, but the whole set up seemed more scum HijacK then town. There was none of the aggressive "You guys are so stupid, you're making a huge mistake killing me" rhetoric he usually gives before a lynch (as town anyway)
In his post #786 he reiterates his case against drealmer7 as HijacK’s scum-buddy, and there’s absolutely nth about cristigale here. There is something questionable in his posts #753 and #786, but it’s not him advocating cristigale and HijacK both being lying scum.
Post #789: I’m not even sure this was serious. But let’s assume that it was - is it really that clear that he’s talking about those two? What about it reads as “backtracking” to you? After all, he says [emphasis added]:
adaliabooks: Don't worry, I'm already 98% certain who two of the PRs are (and if I were scum they'd both be dead by now). [...]
Which seems to say that the players he thinks are two of the Power-Roles are still alive, which in turn should only reinforce your stance that he’s advocating that both cristigale and HijacK are lying scum, not the opposite. His post #809 is the only one after cristigale came forward [emphasis added]:
adaliabooks: Well well well. That does put an interesting spin on things.
I tend to believe you as I've mostly had you leaning town, and I still don't quite see scum killing their own N2, but there is certainly the possibility of you being scum and this being a ploy (though the fact you voted HijacK too really makes that unlikely)
[...]
Where is all this clear advocating of them both being lying scum? It’s one thing to say that he’s trying to play it safe and Town-appearing, with all the “I’m fairly convinced…, but don’t rule out…”, but that’s not the argument you made. So, yes, I still think you misrepresented what he said. The question is - why? I tend to believe you as I've mostly had you leaning town, and I still don't quite see scum killing their own N2, but there is certainly the possibility of you being scum and this being a ploy (though the fact you voted HijacK too really makes that unlikely)
[...]
There are things one can hold against adaliabooks, so if you’re Town, why misrepresent this particular point to make a case against him?
You believe he’s scum and slipped? If you’re confident this is the case, and considering what’s at stake at this point in the game, why are you not voting him?
If you’re Mafia, it looks like distancing and going for town-cred; given your reaction to my point about your post #477, and a couple of things about adaliabooks, I can see it being the case.
Again, adaliabooks is not in the clear for me, and he may well have slipped, but that does not automatically clear you as Town, nor does any of the above support that what I’ve said is unfounded.
Why? yogsloth has proven he's more than capable of carrying the game on his own. If you think him Mafia, I don't think it's a good idea to leave him last.
drealmer7
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Posted May 16, 2016
I don't really recall the last time I was utterly happy. Maybe 3+ years ago and it was certainly not forum-related.
It's essentially a useless vote, and I could have guessed at who he found to be scummy before it was placed, but it is nice to see him vote, certainly, regardless of the player it is on. It does make me glad to see other players voting at this stage, and when JMich votes it almost seems like a feat, and so that makes me glad. I'd be more happy if you voted though, HSL. Particularly if you place it on the person you think is most likely Evil.
It's essentially a useless vote, and I could have guessed at who he found to be scummy before it was placed, but it is nice to see him vote, certainly, regardless of the player it is on. It does make me glad to see other players voting at this stage, and when JMich votes it almost seems like a feat, and so that makes me glad. I'd be more happy if you voted though, HSL. Particularly if you place it on the person you think is most likely Evil.
JMich
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Posted May 16, 2016
HypersomniacLive: Ah, now your post #832 was about everything adaliabooks had said up to that point. So, why didn't you make it clear in post #832, and only came up with other posts of his after I drew attention to that post of yours? Why didn’t you address any of his posts earlier?
Because while the posts by themselves may have him read as one alignment or the other, post 825 is the one that tipped the scales on one end. Until something damning came, no need to address it, is there? Watching and reading, as usual.
If he believes HijacK to be scum, then HijacK couldn't have been a power role. Anyone claiming to have read HijacK as a power role means either that they are lying, or that adalia has to double check his beliefs. So let's keep for now that adalia does believe HijacK to be lying about having been a power role.
HypersomniacLive: There is something questionable in his posts #753 and #786, but it’s not him advocating cristigale and HijacK both being lying scum.
You mean like accusing flub of being the last scum? Or is this adalia saying flub is the third scum he's aware of, not the last surviving one? Sure, nothing advocating two dead scum (and thus lying about their roles). adaliabooks: Don't worry, I'm already 98% certain who two of the PRs are (and if I were scum they'd both be dead by now). [...]
HypersomniacLive: Which seems to say that the players he thinks are two of the Power-Roles are still alive, which in turn should only reinforce your stance that he’s advocating that both cristigale and HijacK are lying scum, not the opposite. So thank you for doing a read of adalia as well, and convincing me that he is indeed scum.
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yogsloth
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Posted May 16, 2016
Ah, that's six votes on adalia, right?
How many votes does it take to lynch? Last mod post was... days ago... and seemed to indicate 7/10 were required? I'm confused on this point.
How many votes does it take to lynch? Last mod post was... days ago... and seemed to indicate 7/10 were required? I'm confused on this point.
Bookwyrm627
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Posted May 16, 2016
Here's my tip: If your argument has more/larger holes than a block of swiss cheese, then you should probably reconsider. The main exception to this is a Day when there is no information (like RVS Day 1).
I want to see how he squirms. Maybe I'll learn something to improve my own play in the future.
I want to see how he squirms. Maybe I'll learn something to improve my own play in the future.
drealmer7
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Posted May 16, 2016
still majority lynch and spectres are counted as players for the purpose, so it will take 7/12 to make a lynch today, 6/11 tomorrow, 6/10 the next day, and if the game is still going after that point, I'll be surprised and impressed...